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dsafilipe
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 392 Location: Foz do Iguaçu - Brazil
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Posted: Sun, 14-Jun-2009 21:54 Post subject: |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote: | It was actually done by Batyrchina first, I think. I don't know why it's called a Utyasheva. |
I asked because I saw Zaripova doing it and I thought a little unfair. In fact, Zaripova has her own leap so they are =. _________________ (...) e nos teus olhos eu vejo o susto e o grão de uma lágrima sobre a qual me concentro (...)
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anjie
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 689 Location: Norway (Bærum)
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Posted: Mon, 15-Jun-2009 9:30 Post subject: |
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It's called an Utyasheva because she claimed it as an originality in 2001 or 2002. |
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cidlover
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 862 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon, 15-Jun-2009 19:13 Post subject: |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote: | It was actually done by Batyrchina first, I think. I don't know why it's called a Utyasheva. |
Yeah, that confused me, too. Why would the FIG consider it an originality if it was done years before Utyasheva did it? _________________ I have a gymnastics blog again. Here we go. toomanyamanars.blogspot.com |
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dsafilipe
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 392 Location: Foz do Iguaçu - Brazil
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 6:26 Post subject: |
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Could anyone say me how much points does Bessonova gets for doing the flexibility from 0:13 - 0:17 of the video beneath this post?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUmzZY2RkOw
I really not able to inderstand the correct way of judging this specific element.....
Thank you... _________________ (...) e nos teus olhos eu vejo o susto e o grão de uma lágrima sobre a qual me concentro (...)
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AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 1609 Location: England
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 11:46 Post subject: |
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dsafilipe wrote: | Could anyone say me how much points does Bessonova gets for doing the flexibility from 0:13 - 0:17 of the video beneath this post?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUmzZY2RkOw
I really not able to inderstand the correct way of judging this specific element.....
Thank you... |
I have been eager to know this to. She starts in a Backscale balance, and then follows with Temp Fouettes? Is she using it as a combination, or? I hope IH can tell us. _________________ Anna's The Real Olympic Champion! |
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Eva. A.
Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 118 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 12:35 Post subject: |
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really interesting, i'd say she get's 0.7 for the base (planche) and additionally 0.5 for change of direction and niveau in fouetté. total 1.2
i'd also say it's a balance rather than a flexibility because she is always on relevé however for me she doesn't fix the two last forms enough.
but i'm absolutley not sure if i'm right - so other opinions, please? _________________ eva |
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Sery
Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 497
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 16:29 Post subject: |
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Planche(base)0.70+fouette0.50=1.20
This is simple fouette BALANCE. _________________ Go Alina, you are the Olympic Champion 2008!!! |
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Anna Kull
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 16:33 Post subject: |
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Would anyone please be so kind an explain me how these new elements work? I allways thaught they can only be flexibilities but this doesn't seem to be true. *stupid question for professionals* I know _________________ RG is the true reason to go on in my life! |
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dsafilipe
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 392 Location: Foz do Iguaçu - Brazil
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 18:55 Post subject: |
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Now it's much more clear to me. In fact, I have the same doubt that Anna Kull have. Shes parofessional, imagine me, that understand just a little bit of the CoP....
...But thanks to all of you. Now I see that this element has a really high value... _________________ (...) e nos teus olhos eu vejo o susto e o grão de uma lágrima sobre a qual me concentro (...)
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AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 1609 Location: England
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 21:34 Post subject: |
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I thought it would be a balance as it starts in a Backscale balance; Like the Split Leap, where you finish the element in a Backsplit with help, it counts as a Leap. _________________ Anna's The Real Olympic Champion! |
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dsafilipe
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 392 Location: Foz do Iguaçu - Brazil
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 22:24 Post subject: |
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I think there might be anything on the CoP referring to this specif cases. They're so common. Leap + Balances; Pivots + balances and so on... Does anyone have any idea of where it's written something about these cases? _________________ (...) e nos teus olhos eu vejo o susto e o grão de uma lágrima sobre a qual me concentro (...)
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 819
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Posted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 23:45 Post subject: |
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4.2.2 on page 36 of the CoP:
Quote: | Fouetté Balance:
· minimum 3 times heel support, with changing the shape and/or the
level and/or the direction of the gymnast = +0.5 |
I can't figure out what any of the other balance listed in that section are supposed to be, like...
Quote: | In addition to the start value:
· continuous free circle movement of the leg – without help - to pass
through several directions, with changing the level and/or changing
the shape of the leg segment, always with gymnast changing the
direction = +0.5 |
What's that supposed to be? And what does "changing the level" mean? Going down to a knee balance? Or just bending the knee of the support leg? _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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dsafilipe
Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 392 Location: Foz do Iguaçu - Brazil
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Posted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 0:55 Post subject: |
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Sorry, but if even CoCoNuTsiopatHic don't understand this element - or passage, sorry if I'm wrong - who will?
-----> Am I wrong or just IH can explain it to us - or just o the ones who don't know.... ? _________________ (...) e nos teus olhos eu vejo o susto e o grão de uma lágrima sobre a qual me concentro (...)
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Sery
Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 497
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Posted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 6:54 Post subject: |
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I try to explain fouette so that everyone can understand:
· minimum 3 times heel support, with changing the shape and/or the
level and/or the direction of the gymnast = +0.5
This means, gymnast, taking heel support 3 times, changes:
shape of the leg (for example, attitude to arabesque - shape of the segment of the free leg changes)
level of the leg (for example, arabesque to front high - hight of the free leg changes from 90 degrees to high level)
directions (gymnast has a rotation around the support leg's axis)
In Bessonova's example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwTlSQA68w
1:10-
1) Planche 0.70 (base value)
2) Arabesque (the gymnast changed the level)
3) Side high (the gymnast again changed the level and the direction)
The value: base+0.50=1.20
All the 3 positions must be performed without hopping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vfX08Q_zSc
Miteva's ball from the same competition 0:30-
1)Planche laterale 0.60
2) Atittude (change of the level, shape and direction of the gymnast)
3) Side high (change of the level, shape and direction)
The value 0.60+0.50=1.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
Weber's hoop from the same competition 0:35-
1) Side high 0.30
2) Side high (change of the direction)
3) Atittude (change of the shape, level and direction)
The value 0.30+0.50 = 0.80 _________________ Go Alina, you are the Olympic Champion 2008!!! |
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Jana
Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 252 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 9:33 Post subject: |
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Thank you very much Sery, perfect explanation of the fouettée |
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