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Movements of former RG times performed slower than nowadays?

 
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tulu



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PostPosted: Wed, 2-Jul-2008 23:56    Post subject: Movements of former RG times performed slower than nowadays? Reply with quote

when I watch old RG videos and compare them with today's videos then I notice that the movements of former RG times were performed slower than the RG movements nowadays!
what do you think?
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PostPosted: Thu, 3-Jul-2008 1:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well obviously..because back then they didn't have to fit in 18 (high level) body skills, plus 7 marks of apparatus handling bonuses...
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PostPosted: Thu, 3-Jul-2008 10:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but try to see the speed of movement of the apparatus.. 100 times than nowadays.
And I don't think they were slower at all.. they had less body difficulties. this Is a big difference.
Handling and expression were the major subjects of a past routine and the speed of the top gymnasts was something simply amazing to see.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 10:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts exactly - All you need to do is look for any of the clubs routines of the 80s to prove this point.

This is one of my favourites: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YCWKjv1WEbQ

Hope this helps explain the difference better! Smile=

P.S: Completely OT - Look what I found!!! http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VGhppM0PEOo
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 17:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it just this exercise or was there also way less extreme flexibility back then?
Even if you look at the jumps,it seems as if they aren't even 180°
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 17:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a lot less extreme flexibility then. Kabaeva has all started it. Well... not really, as Yanina was also extreem flexible, but Kabaeva had more succes. Every little girl wanted to be like her. Till the end of 2000 in the code it wasn't necessary to receive good points by this extreem flexibility. In 2001 if you wanted to still have high scores, you needed this, as leg flexibility became almost no points.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 20:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also Zaripova in middle 90's was really flexible but the code was based on throws and handlings at that time...
Then came Batirchina, the Kabaeva and the flex mania started Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think that alina's superflexibility changed RG, but she had a lot of expressivity and very good handling too. Today a lot of top-level gymnasts have superflexibility, little expressivity and medium handling.. That's the problem in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun, 20-Jul-2008 21:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Storm wrote:
Yes, but try to see the speed of movement of the apparatus.. 100 times than nowadays.
And I don't think they were slower at all.. they had less body difficulties. this Is a big difference.
Handling and expression were the major subjects of a past routine and the speed of the top gymnasts was something simply amazing to see.


Hope those days will come back again :
Just look the new COP
Body dificulties 5 out of 30 points
Apparatus dificulties + music/chorografy 15/30 points

In my opinion (as a spectator NOT an expert) if i want to see EXTREME flexibility i go to the circus, i prefer handling&expresion. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 21-Jul-2008 0:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if "slower" is the right word to describe it, but there were a lot of elements that gymnasts had more opportunity to elongate back then, particularly the free rolls of the apparatus.

But with clubs, without the criteria we have today to value the elements, gymnasts had a lot more movements with the clubs that were small and sometimes subtle but still very quick and intricate. There were routines in the past where the clubs took on the look of gears from a machine at work which gave the gymnast the opportunity to let the apparatus take on a character all of its own playing a role to interpret the music. Nowadays there are often so many fragments of simple handling done in the clubs routines where the gymnast is just trying to transition cleanly and set up the next big trick that it breaks the character of the movements of the apparatus and thus inhibits the gymnast from making the apparatus to appear to take on a role of it's own within the concept and structure of the exercise.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21-Jul-2008 2:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote:
I don't know if "slower" is the right word to describe it, but there were a lot of elements that gymnasts had more opportunity to elongate back then, particularly the free rolls of the apparatus.

I agree with the whole post (it's difficult to disagree with you :p), but especially with this bit.

I do not think the elements themselves are performed more slowly. It may be true that some balances were in general held for a tad bit longer than balances today, but there is no real difference in terms of speed between jumps/leaps, pivots and flexibilities from 20 years ago and today.

Apart from the 'opportunity to elongate', the gymnasts also had the actual chance of having a choreography into which they integrated the elements, rather than having a choreography entirely composed by body elements. Few elements in those days were performed in a row. For this, 1) there is more time between each element, which makes the routine less busy, and 2) in some very well done choreographies, the elements seem longer because of perfect integration with the previous and upcoming movements.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21-Jul-2008 10:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apart from the 'opportunity to elongate', the gymnasts also had the actual chance of having a choreography into which they integrated the elements, rather than having a choreography entirely composed by body elements. Few elements in those days were performed in a row. For this, 1) there is more time between each element, which makes the routine less busy, and 2) in some very well done choreographies, the elements seem longer because of perfect integration with the previous and upcoming movements.


I strongly agree with this..
A well choreographed routine of the past was an endless flux from the beginning till the end, because it was based on the music! And as we all well know, the music doesn't stop in a routine...
Try to see Georgieva WC 1983 clubs and the tell me if that routine is slow.
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