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Bessonova's clubs analysis 2008- Beijiing
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Germania



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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 7:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also wondering how they could raise her score 0.1 because there are no A-Elements and one turn more or less in pivot would have been 0.2...

Here is another analysis a bit different to mine

http://www.rgym.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3871&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 10:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Germania wrote:
I also wondering how they could raise her score 0.1 because there are no A-Elements and one turn more or less in pivot would have been 0.2...

Here is another analysis a bit different to mine

http://www.rgym.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3871&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


the second element in 0,50(0,20+0,30)....and I don't think that the first jump is 0,30...maybe 0,50?

as for 0,10 and 0,20...don't forget Germania that : DV+AV/2....so it would be 0,20+0,00/2=0,10......
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 10:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think that attitude - passe was 3+3....that's +0,20...
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 12:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

the second element in 0,50(0,20+0,30)....and I don't think that the first jump is 0,30...maybe 0,50?

as for 0,10 and 0,20...don't forget Germania that : DV+AV/2....so it would be 0,20+0,00/2=0,10......[/quote]

Yes, the second element is 0,5 (0,2 for rotation).

If am right, they only raise the score for Difficulties form 8.1 to 8.2 and the hole score was only 0.05 higher at the end.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

so here is my analysis....

1) balance 11c = 0,30 ...ok
2)balance 12k = 1,10.....no hoping-knee-no 360o before doing flexibility
3) flexibility 35c+walkover =0,50...ok
4)balance 6 c=0,30.....perfect
5)flexibility 24 f or c = 0,60 or 0,80....ok for 0,60 no for 0,80...but I think it is F...so ok
6)balance 13 b =0,20 ....ok
7)balance 28 E =0,50 ...0k
8)balance 17 b =0,20 ...ok
9)jump 23E =o,50 amazing
10 jump 3 H =0,80 ok
11)balance it is E you can find it in a newsletter...=0,50 ok
12)balance 26 E =0,50 ok
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok
14)balance 24 E =0,50 ...amazing
15)pivot attitude 4 rotations...with "air"....=0,80....very good...execution deduction 0,20 for fall from releve.
16) balance 7 F=0,60 ok....deduction in execution for the end
17)balance 15 C =0,30 amazing
18)balance 11E=0,50 amazing

total...8,60..with one turn that could be 0,20 more....

I am a judge.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

sofia wrote:
I am a judge.


And a biased Bessonova's fan Smile ( and I'm not trying to discuss or bother you¡¡¡¡¡ Wink )
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a fan...but tis would be a problem if I would gave her an element...that I shouldn't.....can you find one???? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

sofia wrote:
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok


If you can call that an attitude... Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

turns are not her elements...even if in ribbon took the biggest score Rolling Eyes Watching
but this is the best she can do...and I guess that all this years the same judges are counting this element...It is not possible to find that is wrong in beijing Wink

and if wasn't good....they shouldn't count the whole turn....so...they should give under 8,00 and they didn't....you will find many mistakes in top gymnasts....I can find examples if you want Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

ybalka_ wrote:
sofia wrote:
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok


If you can call that an attitude... Smile


Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot!
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 15:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
ybalka_ wrote:
sofia wrote:
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok


If you can call that an attitude... Smile


Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot!


Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 17:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

ybalka_ wrote:
AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
ybalka_ wrote:
sofia wrote:
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok


If you can call that an attitude... Smile


Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot!


Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones.


yes, the problem is that only bessonova's turns suddenly became not good for the COP.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 21:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marts85 wrote:
ybalka_ wrote:
AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
ybalka_ wrote:
sofia wrote:
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok


If you can call that an attitude... Smile


Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot!


Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones.


yes, the problem is that only bessonova's turns suddenly became not good for the COP.


I know. Her pivots havent been brought up in a topic before, until the contraversial score at Beijing. Now you start to critisise them, after YEARS of her doing them. Why now?
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PostPosted: Sat, 6-Sep-2008 0:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANNA BESSONOVA, UKR – CLUBS

Difficulty:

1. B – Side split w/o help = 0.3
2. B – Side split w/o help w/ 360 deg. slow turn to Side scale = 1.1 (No value—Loss of balance; position of support leg not well-fixed)
3. F – Toe-up wave from rotation = 0.5
4. B – Front split w/o help = 0.3
5. F – Back scale w/ 180 deg. turn = 0.6 (No value—Arch of trunk not properly shown)
6. B – Arabesque = 0.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
7. B – Front scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
8. B – Attitude = 0.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
9. L – Cossack w/ leg high w/ ring = 0.5
10. L – Split leap to Back split w/ help = 0.8
11. B – Side scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal on knee = 0.5
12. B – Side scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
13. P – Attitude 1080 w/ shape change to Passé 1080 = 1.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
14. B – Back scale w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
15. P – Attitude 1080 = 0.6
16. B – Front split w/ help w/ circle to back split w/ help = 0.6 (No value—First phase not executed on releve)
17. B – Back split w/ help = 0.3 (No value—Circle of clubs not complete while balance is fixed)
18. B – Side split w/o help w/ 180 deg. slow turn = 0.5

Difficulty total = 5.500


CAP:

1. Handling: Difficulty (0.2) + Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.5
2. Handling: Without hands + Difficulty = 0.3
3. Handling: Total body wave (0.2) + Without hands + Both clubs = 0.4
4. Mills (0.1): Difficulty = 0.3
5. Mills = 0.1
6. Mills: Series + Change of plane + Total body wave = 0.5
7. Handling: Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.3
8. Mills: Outside visual field + Difficulty = 0.4 (No value—Arms too wide apart)
9. Handling: Difficulty + Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.5
10. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
11. Large throw: Outside visual field = 0.1
12. Catch: Leap + Outside visual field = 0.2
13. Large throw: Leap + Both clubs = 0.2
14. Catch: Rotation + Both clubs = 0.2
15. Large throw: Leap = 0.1
16. Catch: Leap = 0.1
17. Large throw: Outside visual field + Leap + Both clubs = 0.3
18. Catch: Three dynamic elements + On floor + Both clubs = 0.5
19. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
20. Mills: Difficulty + Outside visual field = 0.4 (No value—Irregular mills - Arms are bent)
21. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
22. Mills: Series + Change of plane + Rhythmic steps = 0.4 (’Rhythmic steps’ discredited—Fourth step not clear – Value = 0.3)
23. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
24. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
25. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
26. Large throw: Leap + Both clubs = 0.2
27. Catch: Two dynamic elements + On floor + Both clubs = 0.4

CAP total = 7.000

Basic Composition

Music: 1.000

Choreography: 1.600

-0.2 – Insufficient use of the apparatus technical groups.
-0.1 – Absence of variety in the use of space: Trajectories
-0.1 – Absence of variety in the use of space: Modes

Artistic total = 9.600


Execution:

2D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
2D – Loss of balance with traveling: -0.3
5D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
6D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
8A – Arms too far apart in mills: -0.1
7D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
11D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
12D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
20A – Irregular movements: -0.1
13D – Shape not well-fixed: - 0.1
16D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
16D – Incomplete movement: -0.1

Execution total: 8.600

Composition total: 7.550

TOTAL SCORE: 16.150


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