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Germania
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sofia
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 10:42 Post subject: |
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the second element in 0,50(0,20+0,30)....and I don't think that the first jump is 0,30...maybe 0,50?
as for 0,10 and 0,20...don't forget Germania that : DV+AV/2....so it would be 0,20+0,00/2=0,10...... |
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sofia
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 10:45 Post subject: |
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I also think that attitude - passe was 3+3....that's +0,20... |
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Germania
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 12:48 Post subject: |
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the second element in 0,50(0,20+0,30)....and I don't think that the first jump is 0,30...maybe 0,50?
as for 0,10 and 0,20...don't forget Germania that : DV+AV/2....so it would be 0,20+0,00/2=0,10......[/quote]
Yes, the second element is 0,5 (0,2 for rotation).
If am right, they only raise the score for Difficulties form 8.1 to 8.2 and the hole score was only 0.05 higher at the end. |
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sofia
Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 2282 Location: greece..
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:24 Post subject: |
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so here is my analysis....
1) balance 11c = 0,30 ...ok
2)balance 12k = 1,10.....no hoping-knee-no 360o before doing flexibility
3) flexibility 35c+walkover =0,50...ok
4)balance 6 c=0,30.....perfect
5)flexibility 24 f or c = 0,60 or 0,80....ok for 0,60 no for 0,80...but I think it is F...so ok
6)balance 13 b =0,20 ....ok
7)balance 28 E =0,50 ...0k
8)balance 17 b =0,20 ...ok
9)jump 23E =o,50 amazing
10 jump 3 H =0,80 ok
11)balance it is E you can find it in a newsletter...=0,50 ok
12)balance 26 E =0,50 ok
13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok
14)balance 24 E =0,50 ...amazing
15)pivot attitude 4 rotations...with "air"....=0,80....very good...execution deduction 0,20 for fall from releve.
16) balance 7 F=0,60 ok....deduction in execution for the end
17)balance 15 C =0,30 amazing
18)balance 11E=0,50 amazing
total...8,60..with one turn that could be 0,20 more....
I am a judge. |
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ybalka_
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:37 Post subject: |
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sofia wrote: | I am a judge. |
And a biased Bessonova's fan ( and I'm not trying to discuss or bother you¡¡¡¡¡ ) |
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sofia
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:40 Post subject: |
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I am a fan...but tis would be a problem if I would gave her an element...that I shouldn't.....can you find one???? |
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sofia
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:41 Post subject: |
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thank you |
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ybalka_
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:46 Post subject: |
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sofia wrote: | 13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok |
If you can call that an attitude... |
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sofia
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:51 Post subject: |
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turns are not her elements...even if in ribbon took the biggest score
but this is the best she can do...and I guess that all this years the same judges are counting this element...It is not possible to find that is wrong in beijing
and if wasn't good....they shouldn't count the whole turn....so...they should give under 8,00 and they didn't....you will find many mistakes in top gymnasts....I can find examples if you want |
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AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 1609 Location: England
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 13:55 Post subject: |
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ybalka_ wrote: | sofia wrote: | 13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok |
If you can call that an attitude... |
Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot! _________________ Anna's The Real Olympic Champion! |
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ybalka_
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 15:29 Post subject: |
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AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote: | ybalka_ wrote: | sofia wrote: | 13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok |
If you can call that an attitude... |
Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot! |
Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones. |
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Marts85
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 17:49 Post subject: |
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ybalka_ wrote: | AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote: | ybalka_ wrote: | sofia wrote: | 13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok |
If you can call that an attitude... |
Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot! |
Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones. |
yes, the problem is that only bessonova's turns suddenly became not good for the COP. _________________ And she stood in that regal, yet beautifully defiant, pose and waited for her music to start. |
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AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan
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Posted: Fri, 5-Sep-2008 21:29 Post subject: |
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Marts85 wrote: | ybalka_ wrote: | AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote: | ybalka_ wrote: | sofia wrote: | 13)turn 2 attitude+3 passe (0,20+0,10+0,10+0,20+0,20+0,20=1,00)...ok |
If you can call that an attitude... |
Its the same in a LOT of the top Gymnasts. Have you seen Zhukovas attitude? Thats too low IMO. Kanaeva? Her pivots are awful. Her releave in her changing pivots is non existent. Shes almost on flat foot! |
Indeed I've seen, and none of them should be counted. Neither theirs, nor Bessonova's ones. |
yes, the problem is that only bessonova's turns suddenly became not good for the COP. |
I know. Her pivots havent been brought up in a topic before, until the contraversial score at Beijing. Now you start to critisise them, after YEARS of her doing them. Why now? _________________ Anna's The Real Olympic Champion! |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
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Posted: Sat, 6-Sep-2008 0:56 Post subject: |
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ANNA BESSONOVA, UKR – CLUBS
Difficulty:
1. B – Side split w/o help = 0.3
2. B – Side split w/o help w/ 360 deg. slow turn to Side scale = 1.1 (No value—Loss of balance; position of support leg not well-fixed)
3. F – Toe-up wave from rotation = 0.5
4. B – Front split w/o help = 0.3
5. F – Back scale w/ 180 deg. turn = 0.6 (No value—Arch of trunk not properly shown)
6. B – Arabesque = 0.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
7. B – Front scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
8. B – Attitude = 0.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
9. L – Cossack w/ leg high w/ ring = 0.5
10. L – Split leap to Back split w/ help = 0.8
11. B – Side scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal on knee = 0.5
12. B – Side scale w/ split w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
13. P – Attitude 1080 w/ shape change to Passé 1080 = 1.2 (No value—Position not well-fixed)
14. B – Back scale w/ trunk at horizontal = 0.5
15. P – Attitude 1080 = 0.6
16. B – Front split w/ help w/ circle to back split w/ help = 0.6 (No value—First phase not executed on releve)
17. B – Back split w/ help = 0.3 (No value—Circle of clubs not complete while balance is fixed)
18. B – Side split w/o help w/ 180 deg. slow turn = 0.5
Difficulty total = 5.500
CAP:
1. Handling: Difficulty (0.2) + Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.5
2. Handling: Without hands + Difficulty = 0.3
3. Handling: Total body wave (0.2) + Without hands + Both clubs = 0.4
4. Mills (0.1): Difficulty = 0.3
5. Mills = 0.1
6. Mills: Series + Change of plane + Total body wave = 0.5
7. Handling: Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.3
8. Mills: Outside visual field + Difficulty = 0.4 (No value—Arms too wide apart)
9. Handling: Difficulty + Without hands + Both clubs + Outside visual field = 0.5
10. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
11. Large throw: Outside visual field = 0.1
12. Catch: Leap + Outside visual field = 0.2
13. Large throw: Leap + Both clubs = 0.2
14. Catch: Rotation + Both clubs = 0.2
15. Large throw: Leap = 0.1
16. Catch: Leap = 0.1
17. Large throw: Outside visual field + Leap + Both clubs = 0.3
18. Catch: Three dynamic elements + On floor + Both clubs = 0.5
19. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
20. Mills: Difficulty + Outside visual field = 0.4 (No value—Irregular mills - Arms are bent)
21. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
22. Mills: Series + Change of plane + Rhythmic steps = 0.4 (’Rhythmic steps’ discredited—Fourth step not clear – Value = 0.3)
23. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
24. Handling: Difficulty = 0.2
25. Mills: Difficulty = 0.3
26. Large throw: Leap + Both clubs = 0.2
27. Catch: Two dynamic elements + On floor + Both clubs = 0.4
CAP total = 7.000
Basic Composition
Music: 1.000
Choreography: 1.600
-0.2 – Insufficient use of the apparatus technical groups.
-0.1 – Absence of variety in the use of space: Trajectories
-0.1 – Absence of variety in the use of space: Modes
Artistic total = 9.600
Execution:
2D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
2D – Loss of balance with traveling: -0.3
5D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
6D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
8A – Arms too far apart in mills: -0.1
7D – Shape not well-fixed: -0.1
11D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
12D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
20A – Irregular movements: -0.1
13D – Shape not well-fixed: - 0.1
16D – Incorrectly held body segment: -0.1
16D – Incomplete movement: -0.1
Execution total: 8.600
Composition total: 7.550
TOTAL SCORE: 16.150
I'll do Kanaeva once the weekend is over. _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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