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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 0:29 Post subject: |
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Am I the ONLY one who thinks Bessonova's scores were actually right, and the Russians were just overscored??? _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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sofia
Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 2282 Location: greece..
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 0:47 Post subject: |
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Belosnegka wrote: | Crazy_fan
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They (Derug.) have made a victim of Anna. They have thought up this game and in it the rules and the purposes. This psychological influence. The beautiful gymnast, exellent dancer, almost all compositions tragical, very musical and didn't become the champion? SHOCKINGLY!
Anna plays by their rules.
Why in Patras the Russian delegation hasn't submitted the protest on Sesina scores for rope?
I will not continue.
Sorry for offtop.When every day I read mucks about sportsmen of my country, nerves don't maintain.
At first all were in a shock from young Alina. Then her victories have bothered. Began to speak about her mucks. Have grown Vera and Olga. Îlya "has received" mostly. Because won against Anna. When Zhenya was junior, all admired with her talent. Now start «to wash bones» to her. |
for your last comments ....for me that happens because in russia happens something strange....for example for me they have the best "base"....the best juniors ,the best gymnasts in young categories...but when they are turning to seniors they start being messy with boring routines....and many mistakes....in other countries happens the opposite..........for me ukraine has the most boring juniors...always copies of Anna and Natasha..........and then they are getting better and better.....
same with alina....best until 2000 and then falls-mess-boring.
nobody said anything about kanaeva in turin.....for me though her scores were rediculus high,not because she wasn't the best but because with this cop we cannot have such scores........but in beijing was a mess.......tupical example of bad coaching....getting ready in the wrong period....and her scores were the same as turin.....don't tell me that she was the same...
for belarus I will say it again....they were aways in russia's shadow....talking whatever they give to them...never complain....they were the best group....and they were happy with bronze because zhukova a day earlier won silver
what can I say...they deserve to stay there because they always say thank you with the rediculus scores they take.....
if somebody reminds as the meaning of rg is anna....she is the only one who uses apparatus the correct way,has body elements(not circus elements)she has the routines....THE coreographies and she enjoys what she does,,,but she is always under the circus gymnasts of russia .....if anna is not good enough is because the cop is turning easy for russian girls...and not for other girls...if you work in the gym you will understand what I am talking about.....all the others what should they do....."cut their necks"???? |
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sofia
Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 2282 Location: greece..
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 0:49 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | Am I the ONLY one who thinks Bessonova's scores were actually right, and the Russians were just overscored??? |
me too.....except her clubs....all the other scores were fine. |
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Eulucil
Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 524 Location: Spain
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 1:02 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | Am I the ONLY one who thinks Bessonova's scores were actually right, and the Russians were just overscored??? |
No, you aren't, I'm with you. The clubs score for anya in Beijing has counted milimetrical mistakes, but I don't think that any judge has deducted points for mistakes that Anya didn't make. Most of the times judges only deduct points for the main mistakes when they give marks to top gymnasts, but when gymnasts are newcomers, they get deductions for artistical composition or small mistakes, so they scores are lower. For example, Kanaeva got about 16.209 in her ribbon exercise, in portimao 2006, with a strong exercise, and Bessonova was in front of her with a 16.525, with a drop during a difficulty. |
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Belosnegka
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 1730 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 8:50 Post subject: |
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sofia wrote: | has body elements(not circus elements)she has the routines....THE coreographies and she enjoys what she does,,,but she is always under the circus gymnasts of russia ... |
These are Derugina words .
The resume: Who cannot do all difficulties by rules-not will the first. All kinds of sports go forward. ALL sportsmen increase the records! RG is not ballet, it's not dance with a hoop (etc). It's SPORT!
Thanks, Irina Aleksandrovna for OUR first places in gymnastics! That's all. |
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Crazy_fan
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 13:56 Post subject: |
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Belosnegka wrote: | sofia wrote: | has body elements(not circus elements)she has the routines....THE coreographies and she enjoys what she does,,,but she is always under the circus gymnasts of russia ... |
These are Derugina words .
The resume: Who cannot do all difficulties by rules-not will the first. All kinds of sports go forward. ALL sportsmen increase the records! RG is not ballet, it's not dance with a hoop (etc). It's SPORT!
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I agree. _________________ Filipa Siderova- the future of Bulgarian gymnastics! |
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sofia
Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 2282 Location: greece..
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 14:24 Post subject: |
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Crazy_fan wrote: | Belosnegka wrote: | sofia wrote: | has body elements(not circus elements)she has the routines....THE coreographies and she enjoys what she does,,,but she is always under the circus gymnasts of russia ... |
These are Derugina words .
The resume: Who cannot do all difficulties by rules-not will the first. All kinds of sports go forward. ALL sportsmen increase the records! RG is not ballet, it's not dance with a hoop (etc). It's SPORT!
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I agree. |
So I guess after her gymnasts deriugina controls me too....
actually these are the words of many people involved in rg....as coaches and judges....that happens to know them....
you must thank her for her money and her influence |
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Invisible Hedgehog
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 1718 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 15:06 Post subject: |
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Quote: | Who cannot do all difficulties by rules-not will the first. |
surely. and that is exactly why Kabaeva has always been first while doing nothing but a dance with a hoop most of the time...[/quote] _________________ Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
check - http://www.ukraine-rg.com ! |
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Crazy_fan
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 15:17 Post subject: |
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Invisible Hedgehog wrote: | Quote: | Who cannot do all difficulties by rules-not will the first. |
surely. and that is exactly why Kabaeva has always been first while doing nothing but a dance with a hoop most of the time... | [/quote]
Kabaeva's routines were not very dance-like. She had element after element of flexibilities mostly. In fact, back then people were blaming her that she doesn't dance and has not choreography. So which one is it? _________________ Filipa Siderova- the future of Bulgarian gymnastics! |
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Storm RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 4492 Location: Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 15:47 Post subject: |
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IH has been kind to use "dancing"... she was not surely referring at Alina expressivity, be sure. _________________ USE the same topics to ask, even if the links there are DEAD!
The POOR search button EXISTS! use it please.. |
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Crazy_fan
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 15:53 Post subject: |
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Storm wrote: | IH has been kind to use "dancing"... she was not surely referring at Alina expressivity, be sure. |
Well, she wasn't dancing and she wasn't sitting on the carpet doing nothing.
She did some elements and someone counted them for something. That someone being the judges... _________________ Filipa Siderova- the future of Bulgarian gymnastics! |
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Belosnegka
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 1730 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 18:24 Post subject: |
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sofia wrote: |
you must thank her for her money and her influence |
The riches are defect?
I speak MANY THANKS to her for new and beautiful training halls, for possibility to our gymnasts to train in the best halls of the world.
She moves gymnastics forward. |
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Crazy_fan
Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 18:28 Post subject: |
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Belosnegka wrote: | sofia wrote: |
you must thank her for her money and her influence |
The riches are defect?
I speak MANY THANKS to her for new and beautiful training halls, for possibility to our gymnasts to train in the best halls of the world.
She moves gymnastics forward. |
Yes, many people have money, and a lot more money than Irina A. Viner, but they choose not to support sports and young people with their money. So even that is worth gratitude. But it's not just the money. Many teams with the same amount of or even more resources cannot boast the results that the Russian team has achieved. _________________ Filipa Siderova- the future of Bulgarian gymnastics! |
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sofia
Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 2282 Location: greece..
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Posted: Fri, 12-Sep-2008 20:40 Post subject: |
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Belosnegka wrote: | sofia wrote: |
you must thank her for her money and her influence |
The riches are defect?
I speak MANY THANKS to her for new and beautiful training halls, for possibility to our gymnasts to train in the best halls of the world.
She moves gymnastics forward. |
you should thank her for that..... |
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FaerieDevilish
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 1080 Location: Mexico City, Mexico
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Posted: Sat, 13-Sep-2008 4:00 Post subject: |
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Now that it is time for thank-yous, I want to thank all the people who are involved in it at the high level and will hopefully get it kicked from the Olympics to spare us the shame.
_________________ "Olympism is a doctrine of the fraternity between the body and the soul."
-Pierre de Coubertin
(Photo by Tom Theobald) |
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