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Anna Kull
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat, 20-Dec-2008 8:38 Post subject: 2009-2012 COP Ball |
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As the general topic grew to big we decided to create a few. To start with I create the ones per appartus now _________________ RG is the true reason to go on in my life! |
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Anyen93
Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 707 Location: Prague,CZE
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Posted: Thu, 25-Dec-2008 14:29 Post subject: |
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Please could anyone send me the simplest examples of risks with and without throw??(for ball only)
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Themis
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 370
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Posted: Fri, 26-Dec-2008 2:33 Post subject: |
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Most likely throw + walkover+ catch during a second walkover. Or if the gymnast is quick two rolls to catch with feet immediately at the end. |
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Anyen93
Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 707 Location: Prague,CZE
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Posted: Sat, 27-Dec-2008 11:08 Post subject: |
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Themis wrote: | Most likely throw + walkover+ catch during a second walkover. Or if the gymnast is quick two rolls to catch with feet immediately at the end. |
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Please could anyone send some examples of risk WITHOUT throw?? |
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Marts85
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 634 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 1:13 Post subject: |
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i am quoting from the topic about risks:
Quote: | The element Bessonova performed here with the ball at 0:19 would be a Risk without throw. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8y1wTFMgmg
0.3 for the base, and *I think* she gets the extra +0.1 for "passing on the floor", though I'm not totally sure what that means. That means if the body rotation travels, right? It doesn't mean a passing of the apparatus, correct?
Additional Mastery value that would apply:
Bouncing: Without hands = 0.1
Large roll: Without hands + Rotation + Flexibility = 0.3
So the whole thing is worth either 0.7 or 0.8. |
_________________ And she stood in that regal, yet beautifully defiant, pose and waited for her music to start. |
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Anyen93
Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 707 Location: Prague,CZE
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 11:47 Post subject: |
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Marts85 wrote: | i am quoting from the topic about risks:
Quote: | The element Bessonova performed here with the ball at 0:19 would be a Risk without throw. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8y1wTFMgmg
0.3 for the base, and *I think* she gets the extra +0.1 for "passing on the floor", though I'm not totally sure what that means. That means if the body rotation travels, right? It doesn't mean a passing of the apparatus, correct?
Additional Mastery value that would apply:
Bouncing: Without hands = 0.1
Large roll: Without hands + Rotation + Flexibility = 0.3
So the whole thing is worth either 0.7 or 0.8. |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 819
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 21:02 Post subject: |
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Does anyone think it's possible to do a roll of the ball across the arms and chest in a Backwards Illusion turn? If so, it'd count as a "Risk without throw".
At the 1992 Euros, Oksana Skaldina performed a small roll of the ball on her back during a Forward Illusion turn, but it was never a stable element for her, and I'm not sure if a gymnast could make it a large roll. _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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cidlover
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 862 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu, 1-Jan-2009 5:57 Post subject: |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote: | Does anyone think it's possible to do a roll of the ball across the arms and chest in a Backwards Illusion turn? If so, it'd count as a "Risk without throw".
At the 1992 Euros, Oksana Skaldina performed a small roll of the ball on her back during a Forward Illusion turn, but it was never a stable element for her, and I'm not sure if a gymnast could make it a large roll. |
Would that also get credit for being an originality? _________________ I have a gymnastics blog again. Here we go. toomanyamanars.blogspot.com |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 819
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Posted: Thu, 1-Jan-2009 6:20 Post subject: |
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cidlover wrote: | CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote: | Does anyone think it's possible to do a roll of the ball across the arms and chest in a Backwards Illusion turn? If so, it'd count as a "Risk without throw".
At the 1992 Euros, Oksana Skaldina performed a small roll of the ball on her back during a Forward Illusion turn, but it was never a stable element for her, and I'm not sure if a gymnast could make it a large roll. |
Would that also get credit for being an originality? |
Yeah, as far as I know it would. _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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Iva
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 73
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Posted: Wed, 21-Jan-2009 17:40 Post subject: |
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Anyen93 wrote: |
Please could anyone send some examples of risk WITHOUT throw?? |
large roll, no hands, on walkover backwards = 0.3 |
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Invisible Hedgehog
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 1718 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Posted: Sat, 24-Jan-2009 19:12 Post subject: |
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Marts85 wrote: | i am quoting from the topic about risks:
Quote: | The element Bessonova performed here with the ball at 0:19 would be a Risk without throw. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8y1wTFMgmg
0.3 for the base, and *I think* she gets the extra +0.1 for "passing on the floor", though I'm not totally sure what that means. That means if the body rotation travels, right? It doesn't mean a passing of the apparatus, correct?
Additional Mastery value that would apply:
Bouncing: Without hands = 0.1
Large roll: Without hands + Rotation + Flexibility = 0.3
So the whole thing is worth either 0.7 or 0.8. |
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hm, of course, it is a risk what bessonova does here but your calculation is weird.
Where here is passing on the floor? She does not pass on the floor, if her hand touches the floor during the walkover backwards, it does not mean that she touches the floor.
You cannot add here the mastery without throw which is already included in the risk! This risk already includes that the roll should be during rotation.
The whole thing for Bessonova could be :
Bouncing without hands (I am in fact not really sure for this, but let's think that her catch without hands) 0.10
Risk 0.30
you can add here +0.10 for flexibility and +0.10 for flexibility (in fact the whole roll is done during rotation which is part of flexibility...) Well, hell knows really.
So it should be 0.60 _________________ Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
check - http://www.ukraine-rg.com ! |
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Attitude
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 103
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Posted: Sun, 25-Jan-2009 18:22 Post subject: |
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Flexibility 33 E:
If you do large roll during this element:
can you add change of plane-symbol, because gymnast changes level ( from floor to standing position) ?
cop: page 78: change of plane , level, direction or rhythm of the apparatus or gymnast
and can you add outside visual field, if back scale is performed very well? |
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Marie
Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 1293
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Posted: Tue, 27-Jan-2009 21:02 Post subject: |
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Attitude wrote: | Flexibility 33 E:
If you do large roll during this element:
can you add change of plane-symbol, because gymnast changes level ( from floor to standing position) ?
cop: page 78: change of plane , level, direction or rhythm of the apparatus or gymnast |
According to the text in the COP, I would say yes. I can't think of other elements that would comprise a much larger change in level of the gymnast. It might make more sense to use that criterion only for the apparatus, not for the gymnast. But the COP does not make any difference between body and apparatus.
Attitude wrote: | and can you add outside visual field, if back scale is performed very well? |
According to the drawings in errata "corrections formelles", page 2, I would say no. Elements without throw should be performed on the back side of the body, not the front side. |
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Attitude
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 103
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Posted: Tue, 27-Jan-2009 22:09 Post subject: |
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Thanks !!! |
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grga
Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 33 Location: Gibraltar
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Posted: Thu, 5-Feb-2009 20:38 Post subject: |
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Hi when doing a log roll ,if i want to roll the ball does it have to roll twice??
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