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Anna Kull



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PostPosted: Sat, 20-Dec-2008 8:42    Post subject: 2009-2012 COP hoop Reply with quote

Here is the topic for hoop in the new code
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Themis



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PostPosted: Mon, 29-Dec-2008 2:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your take on the hoop hanging around the trunk in pivots? Is it Mastery? If the hoop is on a leg it may definitely do rotations. Around the trunk sometimes it cannot because the leg stops the rotation. Is it unstable? But it cannot fall off, because the leg also stops such action... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUI32fwNg9E
0:58 this is unstable on neck. What about 1:47? Is it Mastery?
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PostPosted: Mon, 29-Dec-2008 2:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I write them both as handling without hands.....but my gymnasts always try not to put the hoop or take the hoop with their hands ...everytime with an action...

I never put rotations of the hoop during a pivot with a ring....only in attitude or passe.....but the judges told us that from this year we cannot do that ....it is forbitten to write rotations during a pivot.
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Attitude



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PostPosted: Sun, 25-Jan-2009 19:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

page 75:

"Rotation around the hand"

it is called rotation and not rotations:

so do we need one or three rotations to get credit? or 5 or 6....nothing is explained clearly

Sometimes I think, we need much of humour to work with the current cop
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PostPosted: Sun, 25-Jan-2009 23:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attitude wrote:
page 75:

"Rotation around the hand"

it is called rotation and not rotations:

so do we need one or three rotations to get credit? or 5 or 6....nothing is explained clearly

Sometimes I think, we need much of humour to work with the current cop


I'm sure I read somewhere that the 3 rotations is no longer necessary. I would think the only benefit in doing 3 would be that you could then claim the series bonus.
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Attitude



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PostPosted: Mon, 26-Jan-2009 8:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Attitude wrote:
page 75:

"Rotation around the hand"

it is called rotation and not rotations:

so do we need one or three rotations to get credit? or 5 or 6....nothing is explained clearly

Sometimes I think, we need much of humour to work with the current cop


I'm sure I read somewhere that the 3 rotations is no longer necessary. I would think the only benefit in doing 3 would be that you could then claim the series bonus.


may be, but the serie symbol isn't destinated for rotation around the hand
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PostPosted: Mon, 26-Jan-2009 11:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themis wrote:
What is your take on the hoop hanging around the trunk in pivots? Is it Mastery? If the hoop is on a leg it may definitely do rotations. Around the trunk sometimes it cannot because the leg stops the rotation. Is it unstable? But it cannot fall off, because the leg also stops such action... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUI32fwNg9E
0:58 this is unstable on neck. What about 1:47? Is it Mastery?


As I understood, during rotations, wherever the appratus is, it is unstable balance, even if it is simply hanging and doing nothing.

Attitude wrote:
page 75:

"Rotation around the hand"

it is called rotation and not rotations:

so do we need one or three rotations to get credit? or 5 or 6....nothing is explained clearly

Sometimes I think, we need much of humour to work with the current cop


You need only ONE rotation to get a credit. The series symbol is not there because...well, it is just not there. the TC found it totally not interesting to give a special credit for 3 rotations (which I agree with) because now, for instance, we have a situation with ball when bounces cost much more then rolls while rolls is the most typical work with ball and not bounced. Same could be for hoop if they included series symbols.
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PostPosted: Mon, 26-Jan-2009 12:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I was thinking more in terms of rotations around other body parts, which I think should be included for series, but definitely not for the hand, no.
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Marie



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PostPosted: Tue, 27-Jan-2009 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Attitude wrote:
page 75:

"Rotation around the hand"

it is called rotation and not rotations:

so do we need one or three rotations to get credit? or 5 or 6....nothing is explained clearly

Sometimes I think, we need much of humour to work with the current cop


I'm sure I read somewhere that the 3 rotations is no longer necessary.


It is correct that the basic element no longer mentions that a series is required. However, I have heard that several judges courses have mentioned that a series IS required when the rotation is performed with the hand - while without hands, one rotation is enough. This is not mentioned in the errata. We should probably expect newsletters.
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic



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PostPosted: Fri, 1-May-2009 16:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question: When a gymnast does a boomerang roll of the hoop on the floor and then throws it by kicking it into the air as it rolls back to her, does that count as a "Push-Back"? Or is a Push-Back only for rolls on the body?
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PostPosted: Fri, 1-Jun-2012 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote:
Question: When a gymnast does a boomerang roll of the hoop on the floor and then throws it by kicking it into the air as it rolls back to her, does that count as a "Push-Back"? Or is a Push-Back only for rolls on the body?
i belive that the first one is the right answer Smile
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