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2009-2012 COP flexibility and waves
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Sery



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PostPosted: Mon, 26-Jan-2009 11:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attitude wrote:
what counts as rotation for D2 without throw:

illusion?
penche rotation?
tonneau?
front split with side roll on the floor?


my personal opinion:

illusion - flexibility
penche rotation - flexibility and rotation
tonnueau - flexibility
front (or back) split roll on the floor - fllexibility
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PostPosted: Tue, 27-Jan-2009 20:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
But it has always said "general criteria for all groups of flexibilities". Although there were initially the 6.2.4 and 6.2.6. exceptions, this has now been changed, and that 0.2 for adding rotation is still under general criteria - there is nothing that says specifically ONLY 6.2.4 and 6.2.6 may use this bonus.

It is all quite unclear though still... Neutral


The French errata seems to change this, from "Critères généraux pour tous les groupes de souplesses" to "Critères généraux pour les difficultés concernées". It is no longer general criteria for all groups, but criteria for a few specific difficulties (as shown in the tables).

I also agree with what has been written a couple of times before: When looking at "body in space", we should look at the basic characteristics of the element, and choose just one of the four body movement groups (exception only for a few leaps, for the back bend pivot, and perhaps penché pivot).

I.e. a leap with large back bend of the trunk clearly belongs to the group of leap elements, even though it also requires some flexibility.

A pivot difficulty clearly belongs to the group of pivot elements, even though it may require a large amount of flexibility as well as a fixed position on relevé.
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Mar-2009 12:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure but probably she added a slow turn to difficulty 20E as written on the Code on page 59.
What I can't understand is that the third difficulty in Kusherova's routine in another difficulty with slow turn. I thought it wasn't allowed to perform more that one difficulty with slow turn out of three.
Am I wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon, 20-Apr-2009 0:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if somebody has already aske this... But isn't it forbbiden to make a combinations of the same element more than 3 times? So why Sessina makes '4' illusions....?
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PostPosted: Mon, 20-Apr-2009 13:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

dsafilipe wrote:
I don't know if somebody has already aske this... But isn't it forbbiden to make a combinations of the same element more than 3 times? So why Sessina makes '4' illusions....?


Because 4 illusions are just one element. Like a pivot with 4 rotations. Combinations of three elements are only allowed in jumps and pivots (for example, you couldn't perform a combination of three backscale pivots)
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PostPosted: Mon, 20-Apr-2009 13:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

bess_d wrote:
IH can you explain us what are the flexibility exersice that maximenko and kushnerova doing with ball!
I am talking about the 180turland in stretched ring position and then the E (utiashevas flex) and maximenko is doing the inverse one! first the utiasheva flec and then 180 ring turland!

Kushnerova at 0:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok6SA31eghg&feature=channel

maximenko at 0:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQRsq1kdtc&feature=channel


I thought that slow turn had to be performed on the "hardest" part of the difficulty. And I don't know why I thought that because I didn't read it anywhere Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Tue, 21-Apr-2009 8:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:
bess_d wrote:
IH can you explain us what are the flexibility exersice that maximenko and kushnerova doing with ball!
I am talking about the 180turland in stretched ring position and then the E (utiashevas flex) and maximenko is doing the inverse one! first the utiasheva flec and then 180 ring turland!

Kushnerova at 0:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok6SA31eghg&feature=channel

maximenko at 0:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQRsq1kdtc&feature=channel


I thought that slow turn had to be performed on the "hardest" part of the difficulty. And I don't know why I thought that because I didn't read it anywhere Mr. Green


Flexibility 21 G is the flexibility "With ½ turn in the walkover position". And without slow turn it is an E. So to do a slow turn on the "easiest" part of the flexibility should not give any credit in my option also...
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PostPosted: Fri, 15-May-2009 23:03    Post subject: Points for back exercises Reply with quote

points for back exercises
i do these exercises, but i have to admit that i don't know the points for it. Embarassed
how many points do i get for:

- the cheststand http://www.barny-th.de/nolimits/noli06/noli06_8518.jpg

- the leaf http://gnuchka.narod.ru/lu003.JPG

- the headsit http://www.irishok.ru/circus/1/tle2.jpg

- the pyramid http://www.irishok.ru/circus/4/365432.jpg
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PostPosted: Fri, 15-May-2009 23:36    Post subject: Re: Points for back exercises Reply with quote

Andrea wrote:
points for back exercises
i do these exercises, but i have to admit that i don't know the points for it. Embarassed
how many points do i get for:

- the cheststand http://www.barny-th.de/nolimits/noli06/noli06_8518.jpg

- the leaf http://gnuchka.narod.ru/lu003.JPG

- the headsit http://www.irishok.ru/circus/1/tle2.jpg

- the pyramid http://www.irishok.ru/circus/4/365432.jpg


None of these are these difficulties in the COP.
However, if you add a rotation before "the leaf", it is a C value flexibility.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20-May-2009 9:02    Post subject: Re: Points for back exercises Reply with quote

It is possible to do these 2 elements in one exercise?
Thanks. Smile

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQAFTqE4po
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PostPosted: Sat, 6-Jun-2009 1:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the Utyasheva and Garaeva difficulties?
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PostPosted: Sat, 6-Jun-2009 21:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

cidlover wrote:
What are the Utyasheva and Garaeva difficulties?


A Utyasheva is a Needle Scale into a Back Scale, and a Garayeva is a Penchee with a turn of the trunk into a Back Scale Turn.
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PostPosted: Wed, 10-Jun-2009 19:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tashik wrote:
Eulucil wrote:
bess_d wrote:
IH can you explain us what are the flexibility exersice that maximenko and kushnerova doing with ball!
I am talking about the 180turland in stretched ring position and then the E (utiashevas flex) and maximenko is doing the inverse one! first the utiasheva flec and then 180 ring turland!

Kushnerova at 0:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok6SA31eghg&feature=channel

maximenko at 0:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQRsq1kdtc&feature=channel


I thought that slow turn had to be performed on the "hardest" part of the difficulty. And I don't know why I thought that because I didn't read it anywhere Mr. Green


Flexibility 21 G is the flexibility "With ½ turn in the walkover position". And without slow turn it is an E. So to do a slow turn on the "easiest" part of the flexibility should not give any credit in my option also...


who determines the easiest and the most difficult parts of the element? Since it is not written anywhere, and it also IS NOT written in which part it should be done (during the whole element, in the first part, in the second part) - I don't think it is NOT allowed.

Maksymenko is doing an inverse Utyasheva which is also allowed by the COP (because it is written OR VICE VERSA).

In Moscow in the form the tourlents were not written because we were not sure whether we will use them and we wanted to see the reaction
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PostPosted: Sat, 13-Jun-2009 4:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

The utyasheva element was firstly done by Utyasheva? This is the reason of using her name to refer to this element?
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PostPosted: Sun, 14-Jun-2009 21:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was actually done by Batyrchina first, I think. I don't know why it's called a Utyasheva.
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