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2009-2012 COP flexibility and waves
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PostPosted: Sun, 14-Jun-2009 21:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote:
It was actually done by Batyrchina first, I think. I don't know why it's called a Utyasheva.


I asked because I saw Zaripova doing it and I thought a little unfair. In fact, Zaripova has her own leap so they are =. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 15-Jun-2009 9:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's called an Utyasheva because she claimed it as an originality in 2001 or 2002.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15-Jun-2009 19:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote:
It was actually done by Batyrchina first, I think. I don't know why it's called a Utyasheva.


Yeah, that confused me, too. Why would the FIG consider it an originality if it was done years before Utyasheva did it?
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 6:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could anyone say me how much points does Bessonova gets for doing the flexibility from 0:13 - 0:17 of the video beneath this post?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUmzZY2RkOw

I really not able to inderstand the correct way of judging this specific element.....
Thank you... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 11:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

dsafilipe wrote:
Could anyone say me how much points does Bessonova gets for doing the flexibility from 0:13 - 0:17 of the video beneath this post?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUmzZY2RkOw

I really not able to inderstand the correct way of judging this specific element.....
Thank you... Mr. Green


I have been eager to know this to. She starts in a Backscale balance, and then follows with Temp Fouettes? Confused Is she using it as a combination, or? I hope IH can tell us.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 12:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

really interesting, i'd say she get's 0.7 for the base (planche) and additionally 0.5 for change of direction and niveau in fouetté. total 1.2
i'd also say it's a balance rather than a flexibility because she is always on relevé however for me she doesn't fix the two last forms enough.

but i'm absolutley not sure if i'm right - so other opinions, please?
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 16:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Planche(base)0.70+fouette0.50=1.20

This is simple fouette BALANCE.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would anyone please be so kind an explain me how these new elements work? I allways thaught they can only be flexibilities but this doesn't seem to be true. *stupid question for professionals* I know
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 18:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now it's much more clear to me. In fact, I have the same doubt that Anna Kull have. Shes parofessional, imagine me, that understand just a little bit of the CoP.... Mr. Green

...But thanks to all of you. Now I see that this element has a really high value...
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 21:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it would be a balance as it starts in a Backscale balance; Like the Split Leap, where you finish the element in a Backsplit with help, it counts as a Leap.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 22:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there might be anything on the CoP referring to this specif cases. They're so common. Leap + Balances; Pivots + balances and so on... Does anyone have any idea of where it's written something about these cases?
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PostPosted: Fri, 24-Jul-2009 23:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

4.2.2 on page 36 of the CoP:

Quote:
Fouetté Balance:
· minimum 3 times heel support, with changing the shape and/or the
level and/or the direction of the gymnast = +0.5


I can't figure out what any of the other balance listed in that section are supposed to be, like...

Quote:
In addition to the start value:
· continuous free circle movement of the leg – without help - to pass
through several directions, with changing the level and/or changing
the shape of the leg segment, always with gymnast changing the
direction = +0.5


What's that supposed to be? And what does "changing the level" mean? Going down to a knee balance? Or just bending the knee of the support leg?
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PostPosted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 0:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but if even CoCoNuTsiopatHic don't understand this element - or passage, sorry if I'm wrong - who will?
-----> Am I wrong or just IH can explain it to us - or just o the ones who don't know.... Confused ?
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PostPosted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 6:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to explain fouette so that everyone can understand:

· minimum 3 times heel support, with changing the shape and/or the
level and/or the direction of the gymnast = +0.5


This means, gymnast, taking heel support 3 times, changes:
shape of the leg (for example, attitude to arabesque - shape of the segment of the free leg changes)
level of the leg (for example, arabesque to front high - hight of the free leg changes from 90 degrees to high level)
directions (gymnast has a rotation around the support leg's axis)

In Bessonova's example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwTlSQA68w
1:10-

1) Planche 0.70 (base value)
2) Arabesque (the gymnast changed the level)
3) Side high (the gymnast again changed the level and the direction)
The value: base+0.50=1.20
All the 3 positions must be performed without hopping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vfX08Q_zSc
Miteva's ball from the same competition 0:30-
1)Planche laterale 0.60
2) Atittude (change of the level, shape and direction of the gymnast)
3) Side high (change of the level, shape and direction)
The value 0.60+0.50=1.10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
Weber's hoop from the same competition 0:35-
1) Side high 0.30
2) Side high (change of the direction)
3) Atittude (change of the shape, level and direction)
The value 0.30+0.50 = 0.80
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PostPosted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 9:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much Sery, perfect explanation of the fouettée Very Happy
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