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PostPosted: Sat, 25-Jul-2009 15:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

..............Thank you... We all - I think - perfectly understood....
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Anna Kull



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PostPosted: Sun, 26-Jul-2009 18:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much Sery!!!
No I've got one more question (as allways once I learnt about one thing I like to know the nesxt one)
How are the rules for this kind of flexibilities?
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PostPosted: Sun, 26-Jul-2009 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

As earlier soneone seams to have miss understood: I am NOT aprofessional in RG but just wanting to learn as much as I can about it
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PostPosted: Mon, 27-Jul-2009 4:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, then now the flexibility fouettes Very Happy

the base is 0.20 (fixed point)

And you can add the following points to the base:
+ 0.30
+ passing from one split position to another split position, or ring, moving with
different shapes and level of the leg without rotation of the trunk « temps fouette » (the English Code has an error in translation)

+ 0.40
+ passing from one split position to another split position, or ring, moving, with
different shapes and level of the leg + rotation of the trunk « temps fouette »

+ 0,20
+ passing from a split position to a position with leg horizontal, moving with different shapes and level of the leg with or without rotation of the trunk (or vice versa) « temps fouette »

+ 0,10
+ for each additional leg swing (for « temps fouette ») (the difficulty may have a
maximum of 4 leg swings in total

now the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq1OOZ6j-Ok
1:18
She has back split+side split+ring
I.e. passing from a split to another split with rotation of the trunk - 0.40 AND ring (additional leg swing) - 0.10, thus : 0.20(base)+0.40+0.10=0.70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJdoyh5G7gU
1:38
ring+split+ring
I.e. passing from a ring to split with rotation of the trunk - 0.40 AND
ring (additional swing) - 0.10 = 0.70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJlJGQPsMo
1:32
I.e. passing from a split to another split without rotation of the trunk - 0.30 + additional swing in ring 0.10 = 0.60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.
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PostPosted: Mon, 27-Jul-2009 10:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANK'S A LOT Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 29-Aug-2009 13:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone pls. tell me the value of this fouette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng1zbccV6jU its at 0:24-0:27
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PostPosted: Sat, 29-Aug-2009 16:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks like a Ronde balance. I'm not too good at finding the values for those.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-Sep-2009 2:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

splitlegtumbling wrote:
Can someone pls. tell me the value of this fouette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng1zbccV6jU its at 0:24-0:27


I am not 100% sure but i am guessing that the value would be 0.8

1) high side without help - 0.3 base
2) Ring without help - change of direction and shape
3) high side without help
4) ring without help
0.3 for base and 0.5 for fouette.

I dont know if there is a bonus for 4 heel supports or not.


Also another quick question, for the fouette balance they need:

minimum 3 times heel support, with changing the shape and/or the
level and/or the direction of the gymnast = +0.5

to be classed as change of direction does there have to be at least 1/2 turn of the body or would 1/4 turn be sufficient enough?

for example;

1) horziontal balance to front
2) attitude (with only heel support no turn)
3) passe balance (with 1/4 turn of body)

would the value of this be 0.2 for base + 0.5 for fouette = 0.7
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 16:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkLXdOtfkWs

I never figured out how to evaluate 0:28-0:31. does it count as one or two difficulties?
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 19:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

cidlover wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkLXdOtfkWs

I never figured out how to evaluate 0:28-0:31. does it count as one or two difficulties?


One. It's a pivot. 360 Degree Horizontal pivot, changing to 360 Degree Penchee = 0.9
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 20:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then why do the gymnasts perform the penche rotations on a flat foot?
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

cidlover wrote:
Then why do the gymnasts perform the penche rotations on a flat foot?


The first element has to be done on releve; the penché is a flexibility and can be done on flat foot, but the whole element is a pivot and I have no idea why... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 21:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

dsafilipe wrote:
cidlover wrote:
Then why do the gymnasts perform the penche rotations on a flat foot?


The first element has to be done on releve; the penché is a flexibility and can be done on flat foot, but the whole element is a pivot and I have no idea why... Mr. Green


It's a combination... Remember the Split Leap (With Ring) Where the Gymnast fixes Ring balance as she lands? That's a combination, but classes as a Leap because that's the first element performed. I guess its the same.
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PostPosted: Sat, 19-Sep-2009 23:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
dsafilipe wrote:
cidlover wrote:
Then why do the gymnasts perform the penche rotations on a flat foot?


The first element has to be done on releve; the penché is a flexibility and can be done on flat foot, but the whole element is a pivot and I have no idea why... Mr. Green


It's a combination... Remember the Split Leap (With Ring) Where the Gymnast fixes Ring balance as she lands? That's a combination, but classes as a Leap because that's the first element performed. I guess its the same.


Thanks for the explanation; I did not know that these combinations are classified according the first element performed... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 28-Oct-2009 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the value of this Temps Fouette in Maksymenko's Ribbon routine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKuyLy0kEU 50-54 seconds.
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