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2009-2012 COP flexibility and waves
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Sery



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PostPosted: Mon, 2-Nov-2009 16:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
What is the value of this Temps Fouette in Maksymenko's Ribbon routine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKuyLy0kEU 50-54 seconds.


This is balance, not flexibility....
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PostPosted: Mon, 2-Nov-2009 22:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

its is a prablem to know the valiu becouse we dont knoe if the firt leg lift with the bent over is a diffrent elemet from the flexibility element.
Any way if it does so the first shape is: 0.6 Balans
and the second flexibility with the tow leg lift in atetiud and torn and to the side is : 0.4 flexibility

if she writes it all like flexibility so it worth : 0.5

I wached it again and counted the element so itis one flexibility element
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 2:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariav wrote:
its is a prablem to know the valiu becouse we dont knoe if the firt leg lift with the bent over is a diffrent elemet from the flexibility element.
Any way if it does so the first shape is: 0.6 Balans
and the second flexibility with the tow leg lift in atetiud and torn and to the side is : 0.4 flexibility

if she writes it all like flexibility so it worth : 0.5

I wached it again and counted the element so itis one flexibility element


it's clearly simple fouette balance worth of 1.10 point.

if you devide this difficulty into 2 different difficulties, the gymnast would have 13 difficulties in one excercise...
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 6:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

how did you counted 1.1????????????????????
the second leg lift is a atetiud!!

i think you should read the COP
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 11:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariav wrote:
how did you counted 1.1????????????????????
the second leg lift is a atetiud!!

i think you should read the COP


That sounds right? Anna's Temps Fouette starts with a Backscale balance (0.7) & has Arabesque, and up into Y Stand without help = 1.2
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 14:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariav stop being harsh to people especially when they re right!
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 16:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
mariav wrote:
how did you counted 1.1????????????????????
the second leg lift is a atetiud!!

i think you should read the COP


That sounds right? Anna's Temps Fouette starts with a Backscale balance (0.7) & has Arabesque, and up into Y Stand without help = 1.2

+1 Confused
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PostPosted: Tue, 3-Nov-2009 18:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Page 64 In the COP paragrafe 10 :"Passing from one shape to another of different levels with free movement (shape and level) (temps fouetté) (examples)" = With or without rotation of the trunk 0.4
With additional swing 0.5
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PostPosted: Wed, 4-Nov-2009 11:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

to continue the conversation in your style, mariav, maybe you wuld read some other pages in the COP? especially those concerning fouette BALANCES
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PostPosted: Wed, 4-Nov-2009 11:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paragraf 6.2.3
Base = 0,20
+ 0,20
passing from a split position to a position with leg horizontal, moving with different
shapes and level of the leg with or without rotation of the trunk (or vice versa)
« temps fouette »
+ 0,10
for each additional leg swing (for « temps fouette ») (the difficulty may have a
maximum of 4 leg swings in total

Wher did you can find 1.1?

I didnt ment to insalt you, if i did i am sorry
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PostPosted: Wed, 4-Nov-2009 11:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

4.1.5 Fouette Balance: minimum 3 heel supports taken with a fixation in releve for each
shape, with (or without) changing the level, with (or without) changing the shape of the leg
segment, and with gymnast changing direction. ( minimum one time )
Value: Start balance value + 0,50

Thus the initial balance value 0.60 + 0.50 for the fouette = 1.10
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PostPosted: Wed, 4-Nov-2009 12:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry i was relate to this element as a flexibility not as a balance
please recive my apology
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PostPosted: Sun, 8-Nov-2009 3:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

the symbol for the fouette balances is always the same, or I have to adjust it according to what I do?? if that so, where do I write the third balance??? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue, 10-Nov-2009 2:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

another question: you can use ANY balance for these fouettes??????
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PostPosted: Wed, 9-Dec-2009 17:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading the "definitive" cop 2009-1012, and it says that no more than 1 slow turn for flexibilities and 1 for balances.
Is that right? Many gymnasts performed several slow turns during flex in their ball routines... Confused
Fig could recognise that there is no final version of the code.

Out of topic: I still angry with the rope stuff.
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