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cheyenne



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PostPosted: Mon, 14-Dec-2009 4:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this move:

"Support on the forearms arrival foreward on the knee: E 0.5" (Number 31 E)

Is that basically a walkover on the forearms, and when you come up from it, you tuck your feet under and rise up onto the knee?

And can someone explain the difference betwwen 31 E and 31 D???

Please!
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PostPosted: Mon, 14-Dec-2009 13:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheyenne wrote:
Is this move:

"Support on the forearms arrival foreward on the knee: E 0.5" (Number 31 E)

Is that basically a walkover on the forearms, and when you come up from it, you tuck your feet under and rise up onto the knee?

And can someone explain the difference betwwen 31 E and 31 D???

Please!


Elbow balance to an A arch - the judges must see a fixed (but only momentarily) shape in each position.

With 31D no A arch (arch on knees) is required. The legs must also switch during the position, either vertically or around the horizontal.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14-Dec-2009 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue, 22-Dec-2009 23:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
The legs must also switch during the position, either vertically or around the horizontal.


or in other ways. it is free.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10-Jan-2010 3:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sery wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.


Is this difficulty cancelled? Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun, 31-Jan-2010 22:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svet T. wrote:
Sery wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.


Is this difficulty cancelled? Thank you.


This is 100% wrong technique.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1-Feb-2010 4:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sery wrote:
Svet T. wrote:
Sery wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.


Is this difficulty cancelled? Thank you.


This is 100% wrong technique.


Why? in CoP it is stated that should be passing from split to another split with additional swing + rotation, but it doesn't say that swing is supposed to be a split or ring.
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PostPosted: Thu, 11-Mar-2010 20:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iva wrote:
Sery wrote:
Svet T. wrote:
Sery wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.


Is this difficulty cancelled? Thank you.


This is 100% wrong technique.


Why? in CoP it is stated that should be passing from split to another split with additional swing + rotation, but it doesn't say that swing is supposed to be a split or ring.


oh, then we can do any swings? maybe should i make a swing on just 20 degrees and get 0.10? or only on 5 degrees? how about 1 degree?
swing in those difficulties must be OR split OR boucle, this is flexibility.
Be sure that this is wrong technique - I talked on this element with CT ;P
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PostPosted: Mon, 29-Mar-2010 3:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

....Could someone please count how many turns she does from the second 0:30 - 0:35?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYfq95RR6M

...Am I crasy, or she does only 4? People say it's fivee... Sad
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PostPosted: Mon, 29-Mar-2010 4:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

dsafilipe wrote:
....Could someone please count how many turns she does from the second 0:30 - 0:35?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYfq95RR6M

...Am I crasy, or she does only 4? People say it's fivee... Sad


4,5 turns Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Mon, 29-Mar-2010 7:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's about 4.5, definitely not 5 complete turns.
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PostPosted: Tue, 30-Mar-2010 1:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it should have been counted as four turns? 6+2+2+2 = 1,2?
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PostPosted: Tue, 30-Mar-2010 3:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

dsafilipe wrote:
So it should have been counted as four turns? 6+2+2+2 = 1,2?


Yes they should count only the completed turns, but she's from Russia tho, we never know Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 1-Apr-2010 1:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sery wrote:
Iva wrote:
Sery wrote:
Svet T. wrote:
Sery wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr_zsq4nHY
0:43
Interesting example: She writes 0.70 for this difficulty in her form
Passing from a split to another split with rotation +0.40
but the additional swing is attitude! which must be a split or ring.


Is this difficulty cancelled? Thank you.


This is 100% wrong technique.


Why? in CoP it is stated that should be passing from split to another split with additional swing + rotation, but it doesn't say that swing is supposed to be a split or ring.


oh, then we can do any swings? maybe should i make a swing on just 20 degrees and get 0.10? or only on 5 degrees? how about 1 degree?
swing in those difficulties must be OR split OR boucle, this is flexibility.
Be sure that this is wrong technique - I talked on this element with CT ;P


I talked to one of the best national coaches about this last year, and he explaines to me that the ONLY difference betwen the flexibility fouettes y and the balance fouette, is the releve, you can use ANY position, even if it´s not a complete split or a ring position, so this one is perfectly fine
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PostPosted: Thu, 1-Apr-2010 3:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, on flexibility fouettes you have to show the biggest amplitude you have and you don't have to do the releve, just the amplitude, with balances, you have to hold the position at least one time to see the form of the balance
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