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Anna Kull
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat, 20-Dec-2008 8:45 Post subject: 2009-2012 COP Pivots |
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Here is the topic for pivots _________________ RG is the true reason to go on in my life! |
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OOTCHY
Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 1055
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Posted: Sat, 20-Dec-2008 12:32 Post subject: |
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in the cop ..1.2.6 which says that( any difficulty performed lower than the entered in the form will not be counted except for pivots and flexibility) does this means that when i write in the sheet that the gymnast performs double turn of a pivot say attitude pivot and in the competition she didnt complete it and she performed only one turn of this sttitude so the judge will count this one turn... but how come this will happen in flex |
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Marts85
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 634 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun, 21-Dec-2008 1:05 Post subject: |
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i think with the slow turns.. if you write one turn and you complete just half, it can be counted _________________ And she stood in that regal, yet beautifully defiant, pose and waited for her music to start. |
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OOTCHY
Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 1055
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Posted: Sun, 21-Dec-2008 1:14 Post subject: |
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oh yes maybe and i think also for the penche pivot performed on the heel |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 3296 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Sun, 21-Dec-2008 2:48 Post subject: |
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It's also for illusions...say you write a triple, but only do a double, the double will count (provided its executed cleanly).
I'm fairly sure this downgrading is in place for any flexibility with rotation. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 819
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Posted: Mon, 22-Dec-2008 0:41 Post subject: |
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Marts85 wrote: | i think with the slow turns.. if you write one turn and you complete just half, it can be counted |
No, that's not what it says. They won't give you credit for 180 if you write 360 and fail to complete 360.
However, it does say this, and I'm not quite sure what it means:
Quote: | 4.1.5 During the difficulties with “Slow Turn”, the body must not “bounce” on the vertical axis with an up and down movement of the trunk and the shoulders. This incorrect technique cancels the value of the “Slow Turn” + execution fault. |
Do the words "cancels the value of the Slow Turn" mean they will still credit the base value of the balance shape? Or are the words "Slow Turn" meant to represent the whole difficulty itself, meaning all of the value is cancelled? _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
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Posted: Mon, 22-Dec-2008 1:21 Post subject: |
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And going back to this from the last thread:
Quote: | the code says we can perform the same pivot twice , one in combination and one isolated or both in two different combination
but the code says that we CAN'T repeat the same shape of a difficulty , based on th relationship between trunks and leg too
so if we referr to only "trunk-leg" and not legS :
the pivot cossack
the arabesque forward
the arabesque forward in progression (up and down)
are the same shape because they have the same relationship trunk-leg because the leg below that makes difference , doesn't count.
for the balance is the same:
cossack
arabesque standing
arabesque on knee
have the same relationship? |
No, no. The support leg is taken into account in the relationship between the trunk and the legs. All of the examples listed there can all be performed in the same exercise. _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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Themis
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 370
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Posted: Wed, 24-Dec-2008 3:13 Post subject: |
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How do you feel about support leg bending progressively and from bent to extended? Same or different? |
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Sumpan-Ida
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 44
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Posted: Sun, 28-Dec-2008 16:21 Post subject: Fouette-pivot |
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Since your are not allowed to repeat shape:
Does that means that you can only do ONE fouetee pivot in each routine?
fouette 360 degrees + fouete 720 degrees
You cannot do another fouette-pivot
360 degree + 1080 degrees
Have I understood it correct sice the shape is the same all through the entire pivot?
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 3296 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Sun, 28-Dec-2008 23:09 Post subject: Re: Fouette-pivot |
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Sumpan-Ida wrote: | Since your are not allowed to repeat shape:
Does that means that you can only do ONE fouetee pivot in each routine?
fouette 360 degrees + fouete 720 degrees
You cannot do another fouette-pivot
360 degree + 1080 degrees
Have I understood it correct sice the shape is the same all through the entire pivot?
Thank you! |
I would believe so, since you can't do a, say, double attitude pivot and a triple also. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Themis
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Posted: Mon, 29-Dec-2008 1:45 Post subject: |
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Yes Tahnee I agree. Only one fouetté pivot from group 47 (passé et à lhorizontale). But there is no problem to do another fouetté pivot from group 48 (jambe libre à l’horizontale ou plus haute). Next question ... How many fouetté pivots from group 48? Only one? or one horizontal front one attitude one high up et cetera? |
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ybalka_
Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 1538
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 17:30 Post subject: Re: Fouette-pivot |
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Tahnee wrote: | Sumpan-Ida wrote: | Since your are not allowed to repeat shape:
Does that means that you can only do ONE fouetee pivot in each routine?
fouette 360 degrees + fouete 720 degrees
You cannot do another fouette-pivot
360 degree + 1080 degrees
Have I understood it correct sice the shape is the same all through the entire pivot?
Thank you! |
I would believe so, since you can't do a, say, double attitude pivot and a triple also. |
So a series of 4/5 double fouettés like the ones we've been watching in many routines under the 2008 code, won't be allowed?? They looked quite impressive when well performed...it's a pity... |
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Anna Kull
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 5153 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 17:44 Post subject: |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic wrote: | Marts85 wrote: | i think with the slow turns.. if you write one turn and you complete just half, it can be counted |
No, that's not what it says. They won't give you credit for 180 if you write 360 and fail to complete 360.
However, it does say this, and I'm not quite sure what it means:
Quote: | 4.1.5 During the difficulties with “Slow Turn”, the body must not “bounce” on the vertical axis with an up and down movement of the trunk and the shoulders. This incorrect technique cancels the value of the “Slow Turn” + execution fault. |
Do the words "cancels the value of the Slow Turn" mean they will still credit the base value of the balance shape? Or are the words "Slow Turn" meant to represent the whole difficulty itself, meaning all of the value is cancelled? |
Alltough I'm not an expert I think that I can clarify your understanding question: "Cancel the value of a slow turne" must mean that the difficulty is not counted if it is a slow turne which will be the case obviously as this talks about slow turnes in particular. _________________ RG is the true reason to go on in my life! |
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CoCoNuTsiopatHic
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Posted: Wed, 31-Dec-2008 20:57 Post subject: Re: Fouette-pivot |
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ybalka_ wrote: |
So a series of 4/5 double fouettés like the ones we've been watching in many routines under the 2008 code, won't be allowed?? They looked quite impressive when well performed...it's a pity... |
No, a gymnast can do as many Fouette pivots as she wants in the same sequence. She just can't perform multiple different sequences of the Fouette turns again and again, a la Dinara Gimatova.
Actually, I suppose it could be possible to perform two different Fouette sequences as long as one is done in Passe with the leg in front and the other is done in Passe with the leg to the side. Similarly, I think you could use different sequences of horizontal leg Fouette turns as long as the leg is in a different shape for each sequence, but I think you'd need a different number of turns/revolutions for each sequence in order to have them counted as a different difficulty. This is because all of the shapes for horizontal leg Fouettes share the same box and use the same symbol.
Does anyone disagree with that? _________________ *Elegance is an attitude.* |
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beatricevivaldi
Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 528 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed, 7-Jan-2009 22:30 Post subject: |
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If I do a composite pivot, can I reuse then singularly these 2 pivots which compose it?
And can I do 2 composite pivots, which share one pivot but which have the other one different?
Thanks _________________ www.beatricevivaldi.it
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