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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Sat, 23-Apr-2011 1:26 Post subject: |
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RhythmicHeart7 wrote: | I downloaded the COP, but I can't figure out: What is the value of an attitude turn into a backgrabbing turn like kondakova often does? |
It's a combination pivot, so it depends on how many rotations you perform in each position. The base would be 0.3 for the attitude + 0.4 for ring + 0.1 connection. So a minimum 0.8 if you did 360 in each position. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Denisa
Joined: 29 May 2010 Posts: 42 Location: Bucharest
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 10:19 Post subject: |
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As far as I understand from the COP, the fouette pivots value is calculated like this: base value+0,20 for each 360 turn.
The passe pivot is an A element, so 0,10.
The "leg at the horizontal" pivot is a C element, so 0,30.
A fouette passe pivot with 3 turns would be: 0,10 (base value) + 0,20+0,20=0,50
A fouette "leg at the horizontal" pivot with 3 turns would value: 0,30 (base value) +0,20+0,20=0,70
Where am I wrong? What am I missing in the way I'm calculating the value of these kind of pivots? |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 12:21 Post subject: |
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Fouette horizontals are different for some reason I do not know. They are 0.30 for every rotation. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Invisible Hedgehog
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 1718 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 21:01 Post subject: |
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Denisa wrote: | As far as I understand from the COP, the fouette pivots value is calculated like this: base value+0,20 for each 360 turn.
The passe pivot is an A element, so 0,10.
The "leg at the horizontal" pivot is a C element, so 0,30.
A fouette passe pivot with 3 turns would be: 0,10 (base value) + 0,20+0,20=0,50
A fouette "leg at the horizontal" pivot with 3 turns would value: 0,30 (base value) +0,20+0,20=0,70
Where am I wrong? What am I missing in the way I'm calculating the value of these kind of pivots? |
The calculation is the following :
Passe Fouette pivot (360 degrees) - 0.10
Passe Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.30
So, if your gymnast makes 3 single pivots, it is
AAA = 0.30
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.80
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (360 degrees) - 0.30
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.50
So if your gymnast does, like Maksymenko 9 single pivots, it is
CCCCCCCCC = 2.10
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.30
If she does 1 single, 1 double and 1 triple (never seen a triple one in my life), it is :
CEG = 1.50 _________________ Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
check - http://www.ukraine-rg.com ! |
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*Kalinka*
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 2180 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 21:45 Post subject: |
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Invisible Hedgehog wrote: |
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.30
If she does 1 single, 1 double and 1 triple (never seen a triple one in my life), it is :
CEG = 1.50 |
Sorry, but... Doesn't a double C pivot count as a 0.60 (so, a F? Or for the fouettés is it different? |
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Eulucil
Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 524 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 23:10 Post subject: |
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*Kalinka* wrote: | Invisible Hedgehog wrote: |
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.30
If she does 1 single, 1 double and 1 triple (never seen a triple one in my life), it is :
CEG = 1.50 |
Sorry, but... Doesn't a double C pivot count as a 0.60 (so, a F? Or for the fouettés is it different? |
No, each extra rotation counts +0.2, so the value would be 0.5 |
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ybalka_
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Posted: Tue, 26-Apr-2011 23:59 Post subject: |
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Invisible Hedgehog wrote: | Denisa wrote: | As far as I understand from the COP, the fouette pivots value is calculated like this: base value+0,20 for each 360 turn.
The passe pivot is an A element, so 0,10.
The "leg at the horizontal" pivot is a C element, so 0,30.
A fouette passe pivot with 3 turns would be: 0,10 (base value) + 0,20+0,20=0,50
A fouette "leg at the horizontal" pivot with 3 turns would value: 0,30 (base value) +0,20+0,20=0,70
Where am I wrong? What am I missing in the way I'm calculating the value of these kind of pivots? |
The calculation is the following :
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.80
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (360 degrees) - 0.30
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.50
So if your gymnast does, like Maksymenko 9 single pivots, it is
CCCCCCCCC = 2.10
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.30
If she does 1 single, 1 double and 1 triple (never seen a triple one in my life), it is :
CEG = 1.50 |
sorry I'm not an experto in the COP but wouldn't it be?:
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.90
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (360 degrees) - 0.30
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.50
So if your gymnast does, like Maksymenko 9 single pivots, it is
CCCCCCCCC = 2.70
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.90 |
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Invisible Hedgehog
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 1718 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Posted: Wed, 27-Apr-2011 7:11 Post subject: |
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ybalka_ wrote: | Invisible Hedgehog wrote: | Denisa wrote: | As far as I understand from the COP, the fouette pivots value is calculated like this: base value+0,20 for each 360 turn.
The passe pivot is an A element, so 0,10.
The "leg at the horizontal" pivot is a C element, so 0,30.
A fouette passe pivot with 3 turns would be: 0,10 (base value) + 0,20+0,20=0,50
A fouette "leg at the horizontal" pivot with 3 turns would value: 0,30 (base value) +0,20+0,20=0,70
Where am I wrong? What am I missing in the way I'm calculating the value of these kind of pivots? |
The calculation is the following :
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.80
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (360 degrees) - 0.30
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.50
So if your gymnast does, like Maksymenko 9 single pivots, it is
CCCCCCCCC = 2.10
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.30
If she does 1 single, 1 double and 1 triple (never seen a triple one in my life), it is :
CEG = 1.50 |
sorry I'm not an experto in the COP but wouldn't it be?:
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.90
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (360 degrees) - 0.30
Horizontal Fouette Pivot (720 degrees) - 0.50
So if your gymnast does, like Maksymenko 9 single pivots, it is
CCCCCCCCC = 2.70
If she does 8 single and 1 double, it is
CCCCCCCCE = 2.90 |
yes, you are right, I've never been good at maths ))) _________________ Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
check - http://www.ukraine-rg.com ! |
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Denisa
Joined: 29 May 2010 Posts: 42 Location: Bucharest
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Posted: Fri, 6-May-2011 15:32 Post subject: |
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Invisible Hedgehog wrote: |
If she makes 1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, itis :
ACE = 0.80
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Ok. I generaly understand now. Thank you very much.
But what if she performs : 1 single, 1 single, 1 single ?
It is an AAA element - so just 0,30? |
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Bluebell
Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 70 Location: East
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Posted: Fri, 6-May-2011 16:38 Post subject: pivots |
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In section 10 of COP pivots, passe is 0.1, fouette passe is 0.2, horizontal fouette is 0.3. On page 32, section 5.1.2 the COP says "each additional rotation of 360 increases the difficulty by the value of the base value of the pivot." , but later in 5.1.10 it says "fouette pivots are base plus 0.2 for each additional turn"
So fouette passe pivot, 3 full turns is 0.6.
Yes, Tahnee is correct, the double horizontal (not fouette) is 0.6 for double, they told us that in judging class. |
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sora-chan2
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*Kalinka*
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Posted: Mon, 9-May-2011 19:37 Post subject: |
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sora-chan2 wrote: | What would be the value of a combination pivot with one rotation in horizontal changing to one rotation in passé? Thanks |
0.30 (leg at 90°) + 0.10 (passé) + 0.10 (bonus) = 0.50. |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 10-May-2011 0:14 Post subject: |
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sora-chan2 wrote: | What would be the value of a combination pivot with one rotation in horizontal changing to one rotation in passé? Thanks |
0.50: 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 combination bonus. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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gg1219
Joined: 24 Oct 2008 Posts: 83
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Posted: Wed, 13-Jul-2011 5:43 Post subject: Fouette |
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I am sorry, but I am very confused with this discussion above. Let’s have value for the following scenarios:
4 single Fouette (4x320)
one double (720), two singles
two doubles
one triple (like Kanaeva) two singles |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Wed, 13-Jul-2011 11:27 Post subject: Re: Fouette |
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gg1219 wrote: | I am sorry, but I am very confused with this discussion above. Let’s have value for the following scenarios:
4 single Fouette (4x320)
one double (720), two singles
two doubles
one triple (like Kanaeva) two singles |
4 singles = BBBB = 0.80
1 double, 2 singles = DBB = 0.80
2 doubles = DD = 0.80
1 triple, 2 singles = FBB = 1.00 _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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