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PostPosted: Fri, 12-Mar-2010 15:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
So you mean doing a front horizontal to attitude? This is 0.5 (both balance values + 0.1 connection). It doesn't matter whether you pass the leg around the horizontal or vertical axis.


yes but without changing the direction of the body
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PostPosted: Sun, 14-Mar-2010 1:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOTCHY wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
So you mean doing a front horizontal to attitude? This is 0.5 (both balance values + 0.1 connection). It doesn't matter whether you pass the leg around the horizontal or vertical axis.


yes but without changing the direction of the body


Yes, you don't need to change the direction of the body.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14-Mar-2010 16:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks i got it
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PostPosted: Tue, 13-Jul-2010 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid question here: how long do you technically have to hold a combination balance for? for each position. Is it 3 secs each or ?
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PostPosted: Wed, 14-Jul-2010 21:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stupid question here: how long do you technically have to hold a combination balance for? for each position. Is it 3 secs each or ?


Most of the ones I've seen haven't been for anywhere near that long, but maybe they were doing it wrong?
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PostPosted: Thu, 15-Jul-2010 2:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

sora-chan2 wrote:
cheyenne wrote:
Stupid question here: how long do you technically have to hold a combination balance for? for each position. Is it 3 secs each or ?


Most of the ones I've seen haven't been for anywhere near that long, but maybe they were doing it wrong?


Combination balances do not need to be held for as long as a normal balances. The judge should see two fixed, but fast shapes, with both being held for the same amount of time.
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PostPosted: Sat, 11-Sep-2010 15:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think local power and physical coordination it's very important . The main force is drilled and waist strength, the main on your independent of physical training.
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PostPosted: Mon, 13-Sep-2010 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick question... Maksymenko in her Hoop routine does a Y Stand without help and lowers her trunk to Side Scale without help in one movement. I'm sure this is counted as one element. Is it like a Temps Fouette without any rotation? And how much is this element worth?

I was wondering whether she does the same at the start of her Ball before her Backscale balance. Is she simply preparing herself on relevae or is she doing 2 Balances?
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 2:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idk if it was already asked, but it's ok to do the fuetée balance with passée?
I mean, first an horizontal leg, than an attitude, than a passée?
it would be valued 0.7 anyways?

and.. also in the fuetée balance: the first one can be a balance with help?
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 7:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
A quick question... Maksymenko in her Hoop routine does a Y Stand without help and lowers her trunk to Side Scale without help in one movement. I'm sure this is counted as one element. Is it like a Temps Fouette without any rotation? And how much is this element worth?

I was wondering whether she does the same at the start of her Ball before her Backscale balance. Is she simply preparing herself on relevae or is she doing 2 Balances?


I'm not sure what you mean by a Y stand - do you mean unheld split balance? I looked for a video but I guess it must be a recent change...
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 7:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Idk if it was already asked, but it's ok to do the fuetée balance with passée?
I mean, first an horizontal leg, than an attitude, than a passée?
it would be valued 0.7 anyways?

and.. also in the fuetée balance: the first one can be a balance with help?


Yes, you can use a passe - I usually do attitude-passe-attitude, which is 0.7, the same as your example. And yes, the first can be a balance with help. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 7:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tahnee! Gosh it was a big mess this balance with help thing. My team mate was in a competition and another coach saw her training, and noticed she was doing first a spilt with help, then atittude, then horizontal leg.
So this coach came next to her and said that she couldn't have that in her routine Stupid
After this everybody was asking everybody if this balance is valid or not...
and it was a national competition Rolling Eyes
So my teammate ended with a cossack in her sheet Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 15:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's definitely valid - I've seen girls at our Nationals doing side split with help as the first balance Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 14-Sep-2010 17:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
A quick question... Maksymenko in her Hoop routine does a Y Stand without help and lowers her trunk to Side Scale without help in one movement. I'm sure this is counted as one element. Is it like a Temps Fouette without any rotation? And how much is this element worth?

I was wondering whether she does the same at the start of her Ball before her Backscale balance. Is she simply preparing herself on relevae or is she doing 2 Balances?


I'm not sure what you mean by a Y stand - do you mean unheld split balance? I looked for a video but I guess it must be a recent change...


It's at about 1:20... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7_p66Z6M0Y
How much is her other Temps Fouette worth as well?

The one I was referring to in her Ball routine is at about 8 seconds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDInaWrPdME&feature=related
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PostPosted: Wed, 15-Sep-2010 0:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
A quick question... Maksymenko in her Hoop routine does a Y Stand without help and lowers her trunk to Side Scale without help in one movement. I'm sure this is counted as one element. Is it like a Temps Fouette without any rotation? And how much is this element worth?

I was wondering whether she does the same at the start of her Ball before her Backscale balance. Is she simply preparing herself on relevae or is she doing 2 Balances?


I'm not sure what you mean by a Y stand - do you mean unheld split balance? I looked for a video but I guess it must be a recent change...


It's at about 1:20... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7_p66Z6M0Y
How much is her other Temps Fouette worth as well?

The one I was referring to in her Ball routine is at about 8 seconds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDInaWrPdME&feature=related


Yes, both examples are a combination balance - 1 skill - which is worth 1.0 (0.3 + 0.6 + connection 0.1).
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