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Invisible Hedgehog



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PostPosted: Tue, 29-Jun-2004 20:02    Post subject: Holon. Reply with quote

After such competition you want to ask - WHY? What did we do wrong to Israel for such behaviour towards us? You want to cry, but you just feel ashamed of the people who have lost their face and stopped being people, they are just dolls manipulated by Irina Viner. Yes, she was also present in Holon. Newspapers shouted - what a beautiful lady, real car bomb! And do you know what was coming to my mind then? Banquet of European Championship. Imagine there is a big table, Dimitroupoulus, Korobchinsky, Deriugina and so on and so forth. Plus Viner. Viner began a talk with Korobchinsky with such a .... voice - My husband is a multimilliarder, he can buy everything! And Korobchinsky replied : "And so what?". Well, after wasting some minutes on a useless public, Viner walks away out of the room. Everybody is shocked - Dimitropoulus among them. She didn't even dare to say good bye or smth...that is the behaviour of the most influential person in gymnastics.

And concerning Holon....well, I saw you still don't have results. You can view them below. The funniest thing is that both Bessonova and Godunko competed MUCH cleaner than in Kiev, especially Bessonova. How can you explain that in hoop and clubs she is 1st (where is expert judge Birgit Guhr), but with ribbon and ball she is below top 5, where are Laschinskaya, 2 (!!) judges from Israel, judge from Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Kazahstan. 1st point - I remember Deriugina Cup 2002 when Viner really made a big show that Ukraine put 2 judges at the panel from Ukraine and in Holon everybody was silent. Why? The situation is indentical. 2nd point. In Minsk there was no judge from Uzbekistan yet. Just because Viner had to find one at least.

Excuse me, but when Alina Kabaeva makes one drop 0,5 and another 0,3 drop, misses half of her routine at the end and rushes through the whole routine to complete it as fast as she can, and Bessonova without a single drop with everything changed since Europeans (half of the combinations were changed), Godunko the same...Kabaeva 26.250, Bessonova 25.300, Godunko 23.900.....Ukraine will never take such offense. You can not just imagine what a strain it is for the gymnasts! At every combination they are killed and drowned...

Only miracle can happen in Athens....but sometimes they happen. We still believe in God.

1.
16
ALINA KABAEVA
RUS
26.500
27.825
26.100
27.200
107.62

2 .
14
BEZSONOVA ANNA
UKR
27.100
25.050
26.850
24.650
103.65

3 .
13
ZHUKAVA INNA
BLR
26.200
26.150
25.850
25.200
103 .40

4.
8
VERA SESSINA
RUS
23.650
25.800
24.800
26.100
100.35

5.
10
GODUNKO NATAL I YA
UKR
25.800
24.300
25.850
24.400
100.35 3£

6.
5
OLGA KAPRANOVA
RUS
24.700
26.650
23.600
25.000
99.95

7 .
15
IRA RISENZON
ISR
25.425
25.200
23.200
24.650
98. 47

8.
2
RUDALAVA SVETLANA
BLR
23.450
25.075
24.350
23.350
96.22

9.
12
GURBANOVA ANNA
AZE
23.100
24.550
23.725
23.800
95.17

10.
17
KURYLSKAYA VALERIA
BLR
23.350
22.450
23.500
23.800
93.10

11.
9
OLESA ASHAEVA
UZB
21.750
23.550
21.800
18.050
85.15

12.
1
KIS KATALIN
HUN
22.300
21.250
20.700
19.300
83.55

13.
4
YEROS LOLA
KAZ
22.150
19.800
21.000
19.300
82.25

14 .
6
RACHEL VIGDORCHIK
ISR
21.025
21.300
20.500
18.800
81.62

15.
7
JORBENADZE LIA
GEO
20.600
19.800
19.300
19.050
78.75

16.
3
VERONIKA VITENBERG
ISR
19.800
18.550
18.050
17.700
74. 10
17 .
11
KATYA PISETSKI
ISR


22.300
22.800


45. 10

I have nothing more to say.
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adriana



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PostPosted: Tue, 29-Jun-2004 20:15    Post subject: Re: Holon. Reply with quote

Thank you for your report!
I´m shocked and disappointed too...it´s really sad the way RG is going...

Only miracle can happen in Athens....but sometimes they happen. We still believe in God.



Let´s hope for a miracle in Athens!

adriana
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viddy



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PostPosted: Tue, 29-Jun-2004 22:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, thank you IH for giving us this information. Regardless of what some people will say, most of us do apprechiate hearing what you say, thanks again.

Second- Is this Igor Korobchinsky? Regardless- GO KOROBCHINSKY!

Third- Poor, poor RG...
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Miss Gymnast



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 1:50    Post subject: sdfh Reply with quote

What happened to Katya??? Confused

uhh Risenson so high... I don't think she is a high level gymnast. Rolling Eyes
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rgkatyaisashaUKR



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 3:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the report IH.. This was a very informative post. Smile

Korobchinsky, i think might be my new hero.. that was a really good response to what Viner was bragging about. everyone should have the same response to Viner's idiotic statements, and they also shouldn't be afraid to say it.

i don't understand the insane scores that were given.... Godunko after Zhukova AND Sesina?!?!?!?! Shocked that is a big insult to her! Zhukova and Sesina aren't bad gymnasts, don't get me wrong, but Godunko is certainly better than them.. actually sometimes i think Godunko and Zhukova are about even sometimes (however, Zhukova is not always as consistant as Godunko).

i think Kabaeva is just making the situation worse and worse with the judging.. she's only making more and more people against her than FOR her. Evil or Very Mad

i'm usually not a religious person, but i'm going to pray for a miracle to happen in Athens.
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Fanny Wang



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 4:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for your report, IH!
The results in Holon is terrible to see...I think I had better close my eyes.
Crying or Very sad

BTW,could you tell me something about the Ukrainian Group?Thanks in advance! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 4:37    Post subject: Re: Holon. Reply with quote

Invisible Hedgehog wrote:

Excuse me, but when Alina Kabaeva makes one drop 0,5 and another 0,3 drop, misses half of her routine at the end and rushes through the whole routine to complete it as fast as she can, and Bessonova without a single drop with everything changed since Europeans (half of the combinations were changed), Godunko the same...Kabaeva 26.250, Bessonova 25.300, Godunko 23.900.....


IH, I love your reports and that fact that you don't take crap from anyone..but one thing...in regards to to this...what else is new? Kabaeva can go on the carpet, hold a jar of mayonnaise, jump, smile, and clap, and all of a sudden you hear in the audience "ALINA, ALINA, ALINA" and the scoreboard above shows "Alina Kabaeva - Ribbon - 27.540"
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rgkatyaisashaUKR



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 5:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm surprised she hasn't actually fallen out of a leap during a routine and received a 29.275 for best fall done by a gymnast. Rolling Eyes
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Katerin



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 5:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the results , IH.
I am shocked to find Ira Risenzon placed 7 Shocked
But it's great to find Kurylskaya placed 10 .
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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 6:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's hope that whoever's performance is the best in Athens can get the gold medal.
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galya



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 7:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

IH,thanks for results and report..
I can not understand why when tournament in Russia Kapranova always wins Sessina. And when tournament in foreign country Sessina the best, than Kapranova Sad
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Thanks for the results , IH.
I am shocked to find Ira Risenzon placed 7

Rizenson from Holon so it explains all
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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 7:40    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Allways the same in RG... SO SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Viner is destroing the beauty of it allmost. LAOLA FOR IGOR K. AND THE GYMNASTS WHO SUFFER FORM THIS STAFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dorin Ron



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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 21:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

IH, thanks for the report. I agree that this whole competition was a huge insult for UKR... Especially that ball final. I would like to thank Anya and Natasha for performing out of the competition for the fans...
Risinzon was at home, so it's no shock for me she was so high... She competed with no mistakes, and so it suited with the judges plans...
About Katya, she injured her feet, she was hardly walking in the 2nd, but she still had to do 1 routine each day...
Kisses ~*Dorin*~
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PostPosted: Wed, 30-Jun-2004 21:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About Katya, she injured her feet,

Everything is all right with Katya now Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 1-Jul-2004 1:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galya-

because it's favoritism in Russian competitions... in International competitions, Sesina should be winning... she's better than Kapranova.
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