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IrisO
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 557 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu, 21-Jul-2011 17:08 Post subject: Rules related to music |
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I didn't really know where to post this, but since these topics are all about rules, I post it here as well.
Can someone tell me what the rules related to music are for RG?
For example in acrobatic gymnastics there is a deduction for words in the music (except for nanana and lalala etc). How is that for RG? _________________ There is a bit of insanity in dancing that does everybody a great deal of good. |
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Bella
Joined: 29 May 2011 Posts: 60 Location: Europe
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Posted: Thu, 28-Jul-2011 21:27 Post subject: |
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It´s the same in RG. Voices are allowed but words arent allowed.
and the music has to be between (I think) 1min 20 and 1min 30
and i think you can get a deduction if the music is not "suiable" for RG.
(I dont think anyone knows what exactly is "not suitable" maybe something like heavy metal ) |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 3296 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 0:46 Post subject: |
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The music must be between 1.15 and 1.30 mins.
There is a music deduction taken by the coordinator judge for "Music not conforming to regulations" - this would be if the music had words, and I think for any illegal sounds (breaking glass, sirens etc) - although this part does not seem to appear in the COP anymore. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Linnea
Joined: 18 Jul 2011 Posts: 753
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 0:49 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | The music must be between 1.15 and 1.30 mins.
There is a music deduction taken by the coordinator judge for "Music not conforming to regulations" - this would be if the music had words, and I think for any illegal sounds (breaking glass, sirens etc) - although this part does not seem to appear in the COP anymore. |
Yes, because Kondakova's music for rope 2009 had sirens. No deduction? |
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psrgomes08
Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 779 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 0:52 Post subject: |
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Trofimova's clubs has words in her music because you can clearly hear a "Hey Pachuco" in the song. Is it allowed? |
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*Kalinka*
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 2180 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 7:56 Post subject: |
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psrgomes08 wrote: | Trofimova's clubs has words in her music because you can clearly hear a "Hey Pachuco" in the song. Is it allowed? |
I don't think so, I think a judge can penalize her. In fact I don't understand why she uses that music, because I would of course penalize her. |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 3296 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 12:12 Post subject: |
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Kondakova's sirens shouldn't have been allowed, and Trofimova's... Well, that's completely beyond me. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Linnea
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 21:46 Post subject: |
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But music can be more than 1:30 as long as from your first move to your final pose is 1:15-1:30, correct? Kanaeva ribbon 2008, for example. |
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Hoops and Grand Fouettes
Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 1847 Location: USA
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Justin
Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 998 Location: NED
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Posted: Fri, 29-Jul-2011 22:36 Post subject: |
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The timer starts as soon as the gymnast moves. That allows the music to play before the first movement of the gymnast. There is a restriction of a maximum of 8 seconds introduction though (as far as I can remember):
* This results in a maximum music duration of 1:38.
* The minimum duration is indeed 1:15, but this doesn't really occur anymore since the COP of 2001
Some very short routines included Vitrichenko's 1999 Ribbon routine, with only 1:19, although Bessonova's 2001 Clubs wasn't lengthy either with about 1:23, but you can figure out yourself why these days nobody performs shorter routines .
For example, Aurélie Lacour allowed a 5-6 seconds introduction of her music upon starting her 2005 ball routine, and Russia waited even 7-8 seconds before starting their 1999 Hoops/Ribbons routine, so they could use the entire composition of Summertime from Sam Taylor without cutting the music.
And I think Russia´s current 5 Balls routine was probably on the edge, as they now left the vocals similar to ´for meeee´ and the ´so in loooooove´ out.
Another questionable routine was Spain Hoops/Balls 2003 (Wch), where the music clearly said "Jazz"....
The rules for AG, Acro and RG are nowadays synchronized regarding music usage: the voice is only allowed if it is being used as some sort of instrument, with the restriction that it is disallowed if there are clearly spoken words. This can often be disputed, as one phrase/hum/yell might mean something in a different language... _________________ Gimme the ball, gimme the ball... |
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Ksenia
Joined: 09 Jan 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat, 30-Jul-2011 14:03 Post subject: |
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But what about lyrics in latin? like Bessonova's ribbon 2009...( Carmina Burana ) |
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IrisO
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 557 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sat, 30-Jul-2011 14:12 Post subject: |
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Justin wrote: |
And I think Russia´s current 5 Balls routine was probably on the edge, as they now left the vocals similar to ´for meeee´ and the ´so in loooooove´ out. |
What about Kondakova's ball routine from this year? She isn't deducted for THAT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiT21hgm5w
Ksenia wrote: |
But what about lyrics in latin? like Bessonova's ribbon 2009...( Carmina Burana ) |
I don't think it's allowed, because that would be the same with any other language imo. If I put some Dutch words in my routine, you wouldn't understand them, but they are words in the end... As an acrobatic judge I'd give a deduction. _________________ There is a bit of insanity in dancing that does everybody a great deal of good. |
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*Kalinka*
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 2180 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sat, 30-Jul-2011 14:19 Post subject: |
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IrisO wrote: | Justin wrote: |
And I think Russia´s current 5 Balls routine was probably on the edge, as they now left the vocals similar to ´for meeee´ and the ´so in loooooove´ out. |
What about Kondakova's ball routine from this year? She isn't deducted for THAT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiT21hgm5w
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In Kondakova's ball music there aren't words, but only vocals. The same thing for Bessonova's ribbon music, I think. |
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IrisO
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 557 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sat, 30-Jul-2011 14:26 Post subject: |
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*Kalinka* wrote: | IrisO wrote: | Justin wrote: |
And I think Russia´s current 5 Balls routine was probably on the edge, as they now left the vocals similar to ´for meeee´ and the ´so in loooooove´ out. |
What about Kondakova's ball routine from this year? She isn't deducted for THAT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiT21hgm5w
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In Kondakova's ball music there aren't words, but only vocals. The same thing for Bessonova's ribbon music, I think. |
Imo the word 'stop' is said a few times.. I don't know Bessonova's routine, I was just saying that if there were Latin words in a routine, I'd give a deduction. _________________ There is a bit of insanity in dancing that does everybody a great deal of good. |
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Linnea
Joined: 18 Jul 2011 Posts: 753
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Posted: Sat, 30-Jul-2011 14:29 Post subject: |
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IrisO wrote: | *Kalinka* wrote: | IrisO wrote: | Justin wrote: |
And I think Russia´s current 5 Balls routine was probably on the edge, as they now left the vocals similar to ´for meeee´ and the ´so in loooooove´ out. |
What about Kondakova's ball routine from this year? She isn't deducted for THAT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiT21hgm5w
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In Kondakova's ball music there aren't words, but only vocals. The same thing for Bessonova's ribbon music, I think. |
Imo the word 'stop' is said a few times.. I don't know Bessonova's routine, I was just saying that if there were Latin words in a routine, I'd give a deduction. |
Even if Latin is a dead language, it's still a language. I'd give a deduction also. Names are deducted for, too? Like, my friend has music that says Anya in the middle (that's her name). It's not loud, but audible. |
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