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FiG RG WC Penza Russia 28-29 of April 2012
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kondakova hoop EF :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Een1c0H4xs&feature=plcp
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

She just totally gave up :/
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

zhenya0402 wrote:
http://www.rg.ru/2012/04/28/reg-pfo/gymn-anons.html
Unfortunately, the carpet will not leave the Russian national team prima Evgenia Kanaeva. She, along with all arrived in Penza, but still on the road felt unwell. She has a fever and sore throat. Doctors did not allow a girl to compete.

I don't think has a fever is minor illness, her mother also told me that, "she had angina , which caused very high fever , she started to get sick in the train and by the time she came to Penza things got worse, so the doctors didn't allow her to compete."


I make it clear, the term "minor illness" was not my word to pin on Kanaeva, there were serveral Russian news thread on Kanaeva goes 99% Olympics, that was the term in one of the thread I remember.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

cathobbes wrote:
zhenya0402 wrote:
http://www.rg.ru/2012/04/28/reg-pfo/gymn-anons.html
Unfortunately, the carpet will not leave the Russian national team prima Evgenia Kanaeva. She, along with all arrived in Penza, but still on the road felt unwell. She has a fever and sore throat. Doctors did not allow a girl to compete.

I don't think has a fever is minor illness, her mother also told me that, "she had angina , which caused very high fever , she started to get sick in the train and by the time she came to Penza things got worse, so the doctors didn't allow her to compete."


I make it clear, the term "minor illness" was not my word to pin on Kanaeva, there were serveral Russian news thread on Kanaeva goes 99% Olympics, that was the term in one of the thread I remember.

I read those news, those news were released on 27 April, in those news said still to see if she can compete if she would feel better in 28-April. so I posted the news afterward, released on 28 April, obviously, she was not getting better, she has not only a soar throat but also has a fever. I posted it to make a clearer information of her situation.

sorry for my poor English...
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

zhenya0402 wrote:
cathobbes wrote:
zhenya0402 wrote:
http://www.rg.ru/2012/04/28/reg-pfo/gymn-anons.html
Unfortunately, the carpet will not leave the Russian national team prima Evgenia Kanaeva. She, along with all arrived in Penza, but still on the road felt unwell. She has a fever and sore throat. Doctors did not allow a girl to compete.

I don't think has a fever is minor illness, her mother also told me that, "she had angina , which caused very high fever , she started to get sick in the train and by the time she came to Penza things got worse, so the doctors didn't allow her to compete."


I make it clear, the term "minor illness" was not my word to pin on Kanaeva, there were serveral Russian news thread on Kanaeva goes 99% Olympics, that was the term in one of the thread I remember.

I read those news, those news was released on 27 April, in those news said still to see if she can compete if she would feel better in 28-April. so I posted the news afterward, released on 28 April, obviously, she was not getting better, she has not only a soar throat but also has a fever. I posted it to make a clear information of her situation.

sorry for my poor English...


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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 16:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

zhenya0402 wrote:
http://www.rg.ru/2012/04/28/reg-pfo/gymn-anons.html
Unfortunately, the carpet will not leave the Russian national team prima Evgenia Kanaeva. She, along with all arrived in Penza, but still on the road felt unwell. She has a fever and sore throat. Doctors did not allow a girl to compete.

I don't think has a fever is minor illness, her mother also told me that, "she had angina , which caused very high fever , she started to get sick in the train and by the time she came to Penza things got worse, so the doctors didn't allow her to compete."

She had angina?!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 17:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juliana wrote:
zhenya0402 wrote:
http://www.rg.ru/2012/04/28/reg-pfo/gymn-anons.html
Unfortunately, the carpet will not leave the Russian national team prima Evgenia Kanaeva. She, along with all arrived in Penza, but still on the road felt unwell. She has a fever and sore throat. Doctors did not allow a girl to compete.

I don't think has a fever is minor illness, her mother also told me that, "she had angina , which caused very high fever , she started to get sick in the train and by the time she came to Penza things got worse, so the doctors didn't allow her to compete."

She had angina?!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

Don't worry, here "angina" means sore throat, not means the heart disease. Zhenya is getting better now.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 17:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

zhenya0402 wrote:

Don't worry, here "angina" means sore throat, not means the heart disease. Zhenya is getting better now.


I don't think anybody thought of angina pectoris but if it's angina, it's not simply sore throat, the tonsils swell along with other nasty things .
I guess we need some clarification Laughing .
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 17:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

just_me wrote:
zhenya0402 wrote:

Don't worry, here "angina" means sore throat, not means the heart disease. Zhenya is getting better now.


I don't think anybody thought of angina pectoris but if it's angina, it's not simply sore throat, the tonsils swell along with other nasty things .
I guess we need some clarification Laughing .

As in like strep? Or tonsillitis?
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 18:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

just_me wrote:
zhenya0402 wrote:

Don't worry, here "angina" means sore throat, not means the heart disease. Zhenya is getting better now.


I don't think anybody thought of angina pectoris but if it's angina, it's not simply sore throat, the tonsils swell along with other nasty things .
I guess we need some clarification Laughing .

sorry my English is bad...but anyway, Zhenya is getting better now.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30-Apr-2012 19:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
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Nele Põldvere wrote:
What's going on with Daria K's back scales?!


why you ask? she's always had awful backscales, everything related to back elements are Kondi weakness, well, and jumps, pivots, balances everything is weak in her except strength and speed.
I refuse to believe in this scores. Kanaeva's missing and suddenly she becomes the 29.xxx girl of the competition Laughing Laughing


+1. Daria Kondakova is SO sloppy! All the Russians are at the moment, and it's a shame because they sweep ALL the medals! 29 scores are a joke, I agree with the podium on occasion, but 29s are faultless routines. Just look at Kondakova... She's all over the place, you'd think there's ice on the carpet watching her. Rolling Eyes


This is harsh.

Please,watch her great ball+clubs in the video section and tell me HONESTLY
what do you think about her body elements in those routines.
Thats the different between routines without her awful backscale and with Wink ,long ago( before all the great changes she made in her hoop routine)i wrote my criticism about this backscale,here-
http://rsg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21110&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=195 i must admit that i got used to this start, but now with her injury it starts to distrub me agin and i think she should find another solution to this flex. element.

And why to write that she got those marks because Kanaeva missed this competition,it isn't true-Kondakova was getting those 29+ also when Kanaeva was in the area.

And the last thing that distrubed me was the last comment.."All the Russians are at the moment.." why ? we were talking about Kondakova why are you including "ALL the Russians",did you watch Kanaeva's CLEAN clubs from the last WC ? ...

And about my last comment ,i still stick to my opinion that Kondakova's reaction is resulting( partly )from her "burning's work" and i will add(and this connect me to the Rus's group in their last disasters) that when it comes to the top Russians it's a different situation than the other top gymnasts in the world.
For them less than a gold is a failure and when they start with their mistakes they really lose it..and i'm not saying it's fine!.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1-May-2012 0:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalit, did you ever see Kabaeva or any of the golden medallist react like that when they did mistakes that robbed them of more of a WC golden medal, but of an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL?

I don't think so.
I believe losing the AA gold medal in an Olympic event is more devastating than losing an apparatus final in a WC cup. Batyrchina, Kabaeva, Panova etc. they sorely cried after they lost their gold but didn't give it away on the carpet. Watching the videos now, I think their heart must have stopped for a second when that hoop rolled away, that ribbon fell on the floor, or that club crashed on the carpet.

Whatever a gymnasts feels, she is a professional athlete. They have to put up with the pressure and always be dignified. This is no child play.
I tend to believe Kondakova was strained by her injury and she can't currently cope with that AND the pressure for the second russian spot at the OG.
Do you really believe that between the pressure of losing the spot and her perfectionism of "passion and emotions while living a routine" she behaved like that because she lost the first place in an apparatus final or the routine didn't turn out to be as passionate or "lived" as she wished ???

I do believe gymnasts care of their performance and about the emotions they can express through a routine but you can't believe that between that and her one time life OG participation she is worried about her broken rhythm in the routine.

Don't get me wrong, tho, I WANT to see her going to OG much more that Daria D. We all know she can shine, she can DO IT. Just, currently she is on a suicidal attitude. As someone said, if she need to fully recover, then let her take a rest!
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PostPosted: Tue, 1-May-2012 6:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Storm wrote:
Dalit, did you ever see Kabaeva or any of the golden medallist react like that when they did mistakes that robbed them of more of a WC golden medal, but of an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYqIw0P0vs&feature=youtu.be
I don't think so.
I believe losing the AA gold medal in an Olympic event is more devastating than losing an apparatus final in a WC cup. Batyrchina, Kabaeva, Panova etc. they sorely cried after they lost their gold but didn't give it away on the carpet. Watching the videos now, I think their heart must have stopped for a second when that hoop rolled away, that ribbon fell on the floor, or that club crashed on the carpet.

Whatever a gymnasts feels, she is a professional athlete. They have to put up with the pressure and always be dignified. This is no child play.
I tend to believe Kondakova was strained by her injury and she can't currently cope with that AND the pressure for the second russian spot at the OG.
Do you really believe that between the pressure of losing the spot and her perfectionism of "passion and emotions while living a routine" she behaved like that because she lost the first place in an apparatus final or the routine didn't turn out to be as passionate or "lived" as she wished ???

I do believe gymnasts care of their performance and about the emotions they can express through a routine but you can't believe that between that and her one time life OG participation she is worried about her broken rhythm in the routine.

Don't get me wrong, tho, I WANT to see her going to OG much more that Daria D. We all know she can shine, she can DO IT. Just, currently she is on a suicidal attitude. As someone said, if she need to fully recover, then let her take a rest!


Ok,i belive like you that most likely it's her injury that caused her to react like this,but i still belive ( like i wrote ) that with Kondakova this reaction was more felt because her capricious temperament and emotional style.
I mean take for example the talnted young junior Boltina,i choose her for my example because she is still young and has all the time in the world to improve her emotions on the carpet.
Here is her fantastic clean routine from last week-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYqIw0P0vs&feature=youtu.be
And here is her bad routine with drops from this competition-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV7bW3RdOIg&feature=youtu.be
Do you feel any sudden change in her face or in her movments in those 2 routines?...No !

To be honest ,as much as i love Kondakova and i want her very much to be the Olympic champion,i start to become tired from those neverending discussions about her.
Personally,i feel like i felt in the golden years of Bessonova when only she took my attention and this prevent me to enjoy from other gymnasts.
Take a look at this topic. 95% of the messages here and in the video section are about Kondakova when there were so many other great senior gymnasts there that i didn't even check yet their performances.
Ok,she gives her heart on the carpet(but not with the ball from the final), with her difficult interesting routines and her poweful charismatic style and her expression are really something out of this world so i understand why me and others love her but i feel that this attention is too much right now (and for nothing...,lets give her a rest and judge her in the money time..)
I'm going to take a rest from Kondakova and to watch Trofimova,Charkchina and their friends..
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PostPosted: Tue, 1-May-2012 7:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senyue's back! Love Bounce

But i'm sad, those results say to me that judges did what they could to keep the medals on the Vinerstan Sad

Lost the clubs/ribbon podium by such a little diference, but well both 3th places were to Trofimova and Garayeva... wich is sad, but i gotta watch before bashing those gymnasts... even if a already know what the judges did... Motz
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PostPosted: Tue, 1-May-2012 13:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalit an injury doesn't make you look like you gave up. Your MIND attitude does. if it were her injury she would have been like that the entire routine. Not just after her hoop flew away.

you are now diverting the attention from the hot uncomfortable spots as usual, but the fact we are mostly agreeing on a subject you don't like doesn't make it unfair, or untrue.

A bit of objective honesty won't kill you, for once.

Plus, what's with the video comparison? A drop is a flaw in a routine, which a mature gymnast learn to move on about in order not to compromise the entirety of the routine. Being a passionate explosive gymnasts is not a synonym of hyper sensitive and unable to control and master her own emotions.
I can bring on many examples of gymnasts that even with mistakes were strong enough to go on WELL and showing the same incredible expressivity. THIS is admirable. If she cared for her performance so much as you said, she should be willing to give 200% of herself in what's left of her routine.

Anyway, I am done trying to explain the point. Let's just hope she will recover in her body and mind to regain that spirit that almost led her to the podium of the last WC. Very Happy
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