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PostPosted: Sun, 12-Aug-2012 1:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Back Scale pivot, I think. That's what my coach calls it, anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21-Aug-2012 4:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 9-Jul-2013 7:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the name and the value of this pivot? I haven't seen anybody to do this expect her! at 1:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmBQ5sXYJSo
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PostPosted: Tue, 9-Jul-2013 10:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are pivot fouettè in attitude.. With the new CoP they don't exist anymore (pivot fouettè only in passè and with leg at the horizontal).. About its value under previous code I can't remember... maybe 0.30 first rotation +0.20 for each additional rotation?!?
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PostPosted: Tue, 9-Jul-2013 17:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cipelly wrote:
They are pivot fouettè in attitude.. With the new CoP they don't exist anymore (pivot fouettè only in passè and with leg at the horizontal).. About its value under previous code I can't remember... maybe 0.30 first rotation +0.20 for each additional rotation?!?

Thank you! Kiss Cheek Very interesting pivot in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23-Jun-2014 7:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe I'm sound stupid but could somone tell me what is the name of this pivot? Embarassed

is this an attitude pivot with trunk bend backward or sth else?
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PostPosted: Mon, 23-Jun-2014 19:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paleeya wrote:
maybe I'm sound stupid but could somone tell me what is the name of this pivot? Embarassed

is this an attitude pivot with trunk bend backward or sth else?

I would say it's a ring pivot without hand support... but I'm not sure Confused
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PostPosted: Mon, 23-Jun-2014 19:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

halkonyat wrote:
Paleeya wrote:
maybe I'm sound stupid but could somone tell me what is the name of this pivot? Embarassed

is this an attitude pivot with trunk bend backward or sth else?

I would say it's a ring pivot without hand support... but I'm not sure Confused

thank you I was thinking about ring pivot too
but I thought her left leg in ring pivot(without help) was supposed to be higher like Yussupova always did. Confused

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PostPosted: Tue, 24-Jun-2014 9:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paleeya wrote:

but I thought her left leg in ring pivot(without help) was supposed to be higher like Yussupova always did. Confused

to be honest, I don't have a clue what kind of pivot could that be! But it's beautiful, and unfortunately I haven't seen it for years Neutral
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PostPosted: Wed, 25-Jun-2014 13:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

halkonyat wrote:
Paleeya wrote:

but I thought her left leg in ring pivot(without help) was supposed to be higher like Yussupova always did. Confused

to be honest, I don't have a clue what kind of pivot could that be! But it's beautiful, and unfortunately I haven't seen it for years Neutral


In my opinion, it's an attitude pivot with trunk backbend. Wink


In a ring pivot, the free leg is higher than the horizontal and goes towards the head. In a pivot with trunk back bend, the head goes down to reach the leg, as far as I remember the lessons learned... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 25-Jun-2014 14:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

yannch wrote:


In my opinion, it's an attitude pivot with trunk backbend. Wink


In a ring pivot, the free leg is higher than the horizontal and goes towards the head. In a pivot with trunk back bend, the head goes down to reach the leg, as far as I remember the lessons learned... Wink

thanks for you help. Very Happy
is there another gymnast who did this? can you give me the example if you ever saw?
because I only saw Kanaeva did and want to see if there's another did this. Question
I saw Son Yeon Jae did attitude pivot with backbend but her foot didn't touch her head. Is it the same to Kanaeva's? (In term of element's name and cop)
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PostPosted: Wed, 25-Jun-2014 15:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paleeya wrote:
yannch wrote:


In my opinion, it's an attitude pivot with trunk backbend. Wink


In a ring pivot, the free leg is higher than the horizontal and goes towards the head. In a pivot with trunk back bend, the head goes down to reach the leg, as far as I remember the lessons learned... Wink

thanks for you help. Very Happy
is there another gymnast who did this? can you give me the example if you ever saw?
because I only saw Kanaeva did and want to see if there's another did this. Question
I saw Son Yeon Jae did attitude pivot with backbend but her foot didn't touch her head. Is it the same to Kanaeva's? (In term of element's name and cop)

If you talk about the beginning of the 2014 Hoop routine of Son Yeon Jae, in my opinon it is the same element: attitude pivot with truck back bend.
However, the execution is not quite the same quality as Kanaeva's... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 27-Jun-2014 4:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a few I can think of at the moment

Alexandra Merkulova: http://youtu.be/gIYIVyf6IpY?t=1m13s
Eleonora Romanova: http://youtu.be/InE9aqHibOA?t=30s
Aliya Assymova: http://youtu.be/lIt_JAYzh-k?t=30s
Samira Mustafayeva: http://youtu.be/X2X9v1q5QRk?t=27s
Ulyana Trofimova: http://youtu.be/TzPjcC_y2GA?t=37s
Lyassan Utyasheva: http://youtu.be/DWbdcJn1eKE?t=20s

Aaand a really awesome one by Stela Sultanova: http://youtu.be/Vh2j__J8k1s?t=49s
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PostPosted: Fri, 27-Jun-2014 7:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
Here are a few I can think of at the moment

Alexandra Merkulova: http://youtu.be/gIYIVyf6IpY?t=1m13s attitude imo
Eleonora Romanova: http://youtu.be/InE9aqHibOA?t=30s more like attitude but maybe ring not sure
Aliya Assymova: http://youtu.be/lIt_JAYzh-k?t=30s ring imo
Samira Mustafayeva: http://youtu.be/X2X9v1q5QRk?t=27s 100% attitude
Ulyana Trofimova: http://youtu.be/TzPjcC_y2GA?t=37s ring imo
Lyassan Utyasheva: http://youtu.be/DWbdcJn1eKE?t=20s can't see clearly but it's attitude imo

Aaand a really awesome one by Stela Sultanova: http://youtu.be/Vh2j__J8k1s?t=49s ring imo

thanks but aren't some of these supposed to be ring pivot+back bend without help?
and some are attitude pivot with back bend?
or all of these are the same element? so is it ring or attitude pivot? Confused
can someone clarify my confusing Confused
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PostPosted: Sat, 4-Oct-2014 16:28    Post subject: Reply with quote


what's the name of this leap?????
is this double ring jump that Zhukova used to perform? http://www.barny-th.de/patras2007/wm07_01863_jpg.htm
but the position of the (lower)leg is quite different. but maybe just the angle.
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