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Marie



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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 12:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, let it be absolutely clear that I do not in any way support anything similar to pedophilia. It is disgusting, and I am in favor of anyone found guilty being prisoned for a very very long time.

That being said, guilty is a key word. As far as I know, most of people's reactions in this case are based on one newspaper story. As difficult as it seems in this case, a man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and is also allowed to defend himself.

I am not saying that "dina" is innocent - I guess that in most cases like this, the accused person IS guilty. But it would be very very horrible if this is one of the cases where the opposite is true. Therefore, I suggest you to read the following topic:

"Dina's statement"
http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=65260&highlight=dina

And to weigh it up, here are comments from Gymworld members:
http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=65245&highlight=dina

No matter what the outcome of the "dina" story is... I think we should all let this case be a reminder that people are not always who they claim to be, and especially in the Internet, it is very easy to hide your true personality. Please be careful with what personal details and photos you share with internet communities!
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Kaja =)



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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 14:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, though, we're kind of past the 'innocent until proven guilty' stage because he already plead guilty. The only thing left now is the sentence.

And, besides, the news have spread to lots of national papers, where the police have given statements and everything, and they all say the same thing (even the numbers match - all the sources say more than 4,100 videos and pictures).

And - get this - he is actually protesting against a clause in the proposed sentence (not familiar with legal words, so sorry if there is a mistake here) saying he won't ever be allowed to attend a gymnastics competition again. IMO it just goes to show how sick he must be - this particular part would not be the focus of a normal person in this situation!

Faerie - yes, registrations are unabled right now, partly because of this whole mess, partly because on top of it all trolls kept registering, getting themselves banned, reregistering with other usernames, getting banned... they were using 'proxyservers', which as far as I understand makes it impossile to use an IP-ban, and Nils has enough on his mind nowadays to not need to worry about trolls on top of it. Too bad for normal people, though, but the way it looks right now soon there might not even be a Gymworld. And either way a lot of people are already insisting on having their accounts deleted because they don't want to be associated with a board that has such a weak stance on a child pornography buyer being a member there. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 14:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, now half the forum is deleted, only a few parts of it can be reached - and this does not included the Mod's lounge. Meaning from now on I'll know as much as you... Looks like GW is indeed closing, but I find it strange none of us, not even us mods, have been notified.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 14:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaja =) wrote:
OK, now half the forum is deleted, only a few parts of it can be reached - and this does not included the Mod's lounge. Meaning from now on I'll know as much as you... Looks like GW is indeed closing, but I find it strange none of us, not even us mods, have been notified.


Sadly this doesn't surprise me one little bit. Kaja can I just say that in my opinion you're better off out of there, seriously. There have been some pretty shady things on GW even before the Dina case broke.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 15:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wawawa Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
GW is closing for good!

Holly I know.... but it's been a lot of fun, that forum is so much more lively than for instance, here. People really know each other, there are some really funny and weird characters you just have to laugh at... Ohh Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 16:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marie, there's no question about this Dina's guiltiness, he's accepted it and also taken for good almost the whole sentence, including 22.00 to 07.00 curfew (he must saty home in this time) and a 2000$ donation to a children care foundation...

Not to mention to videos of himself dressed in a pink leotard and... well... you can read it in the newspaper here:

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=178b603b-b1cf-4552-80b4-c34a311b4b0e

So, we can say he's guilty. Now, after knowing that, no matter what happens, law must be hard against him, because he's a risk and must be kept away of the girls.

He cheated so many people, trying ro present himself as a kind, gymnastics loving guy, that it makes me sick to think his perverse thoughts behind his nice words.

I'm happy that I was almost never writing in this GW forum, just for the sake of not having the bad luck to meet this pervert.

I also disagree with the closing of a forum just because of the craziness of one of its members, because we also had troubles in the past because of 2-3 insane users, which almost led to the closing od this forum.

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FaerieDevilish



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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 16:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I finally remembered the password of my old account.

I just want to say before anything erupts on here that I second Marie's post. Paedophilia cannot be forgiven under any circumstance, and laws against it should be enforced all over the World.

I do think that, as she said, none of us can't say he knows about the case. None of us even works for the office that is handling the case, or, for that matter, knows him closely.

He has indeed stated that he is guilty of possessing illegal content, but that's not where cases end. When it comes to bringing someone to prison (and all the implications that has, which aren't few), authorities have to do a huge research. Of course that makes the process long and tedious, but they have the compromise of promoting justice - not my, your or their justice. Just justice.

Personally, I find it tasteless to see many messages that portray immediate judgments on this case (I haven't seen the English section of GW, but I saw some messages in the Spanish one). Instead of trying to make justice more immediate, these messages only damage the whole cause.

He does not have the last say on this, nor do media, nor does GW, nor does, sadly, in many cases, the court. We don't either. I just ask you in a very friendly way to, in case this continues to be discussed, try to think from a neutral perspective and avoid hard judgements that at least I (I can't judge your preparation and morality) am far from ready to make. He is a person, not something from a bunch, and calling him a paedophile or innocent is very strong.

I hope, again, that this is solved in a fair way, and that we all learn from this experience. Not just him.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 17:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

A person who "accidentally" has a Cd with at least 4100 photos and videos of child pornography locke at his drawer and paid 140$ for that, and also accepts to be condemned by this attitude and pleades himself guilty can with every right be called a pedophile. Period.

Not to mention his "funny" times in pink leotard with those images (apparently never denied at the trial). You can follow your legal procedures, and I'm sure that justice will work as it must, but no procedimental trick will fool me out of thinking he's a pervert. Evidences are clear, and I've read the newspapers and also Dina's stamenet in GW, so I have two visions.

I think he's done a great harm, causing the shutting down of GW and a lot of pain to all its users, sevrral of whom even met Dina personally. Is that nice?

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Kaja =)



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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 17:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

He also went to local gym competitions for pre-juniors, where he videotaped them and zoomed in on their private areas, and to big international competitions where he took photos of young girls who weren't even competing, and kept them. None of this has been denied either.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 17:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never attempted to refute those points (I read the article and the messages in the forum, too) - all I said is that two sources of information can never be enough when you are trying to put someone in prison.

In my opinion, he is a paedophile, yes - but I speak only as someone who only reads about it on the net.

I agree on many points with you - I am just asking you not to take everything for granted and make such a strong judgement immediately. I would ask the same to those who say immediately that he's innocent.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 18:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do get your point, however when he has said himself he is guilty, I don't understand what there is to question.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 18:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

He said he did have the material. He didn't accept some of the other accusations. Personally, I abstain to buy any side yet.

Also... Totally random, but what's up with GW? Everything down, tears in the final curtain part, and then it's all back up? I think the owners should just take a couple of days and think a bit about it before they take another step... That's just my opinion, though.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah NBB is actuing very stupidly, people are starting to say it's a publicitystunt but I find it quite disrespectful towards the users.
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Marie



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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 19:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have stated my opinion on "dina" above, I will not change it. I have not watched gymworld, newspapers and the trials close enough to know the truth. I'm speaking in general terms. There have been accusations on this board and elsewhere in the RG environment as well, but luckily they did not blow up to such a large case as this case (yes, I know that this case is more than accusations).

However, I think it is difficult for rsg.net members to read all this, when they know so little of the background from gymworld. Perhaps this discussion is better off at gymworld, leaving the audience here with the lesson that everyone needs to be careful with what they post on the internet.

Finally, I know that we had "trolls" in this forum as well, who did not manage to shut down our forum. However, from what I read on Gymworld that case is slightly different. The accused/guilty person was a friend of the board owner, and if I understood correctly, also contributed money to the running of the message board. That's something totally different from an anonymous troll showing up on rsg-net. I can totally understand that the board owner is in shock and has PERSONAL reasons to take down the forum for a while or forever. The reasons could be economical, emotional, time constraints (not being able to follow-up the board with wise decisions when so many posts with so many feelings are posted), etc... I know that there are moderators, but even at rsg-net, we often have to ask the admins to perform some tasks or to take difficult decisions. I also want to add that when you are in shock, I don't believe that such a reaction, or even denial, can be called childish or stupid.
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PostPosted: Tue, 15-May-2007 19:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Dina actually paid for the entire board (so the domain is under his name) and this is causing big troubles. Also now a mod is saying Gymworld's URL has appeared in sevral child abuse websites and forums. I think they best thing would be to fully delete Gymworld and rebuild it with complete disassociation to Dina, and many have already said they are willing to pay.

But you're right, we should end this here now.
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